Why did the world reject the Messiah when He Did come?

[firedragon]

Yes. Regards Tony

Alright. thats clear. Thus, you believe the Quran, and the writings of Bab and Bahaullah as inerrant word of God.

How about the Bible? What is your belief about the Bible?

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus is a messianic figure in the eyes of many Christians because they don't know anyone greater than Jesus.
We see Lord Krishna as a kind of planetary Messiah who came to this planet just over 3500 years ago. The first great messianic Teacher was Lord Shiva whose advent was over 7000 years ago. Their lives and teachings changed the course of humanity.

Other great teachers such as Buddha and Mahavira kept the torch burning so to speak but they were not divine beings, just great teachers.

They are all right.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Alright. thats clear. Thus, you believe the Quran, and the writings of Bab and Bahaullah as inerrant word of God.

How about the Bible? What is your belief about the Bible?

I see the Bible contains the Word of God. It can not be 100% authenticated,but still a sure guidance for us.

The key here, is that we must remove traditional interpretations from mind before we search all holy books.

Regards Tony

 

[firedragon]

I see the Bible contains the Word of God. It can not be 100% authenticated,but still a sure guidance for us.

The key here, is that we must remove traditional interpretations from mind before we search all holy books.

Regards Tony

Yes. remove all traditional interpretations. You should do that too. I agree. Apply it to all holy books. Great.

Thus, how do you separate between which part of the Bible is word of God and should be followed and which part is not? Do you have a methodology?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Yes. remove all traditional interpretations. You should do that too. I agree. Apply it to all holy books. Great.

Thus, how do you separate between which part of the Bible is word of God and should be followed and which part is not? Do you have a methodology?

All good is from God, all that is not good is from our own self.

If we look to divide God's given guidance, seeing we are exclusive, then to me that is not of God, who teaches Oneness. We must also consider that God does change laws from age to age.

Regards Tony

 

[firedragon]

All good is from God, all that is not good is from our own self.

If we look to divide God's given guidance, seeing we are exclusive, then to me that is not of God, who teaches Oneness. We must also consider that God does change laws from age to age.

Regards Tony

Another non-answer rhetoric. Now I expect this kind from you so all good.

My question - "Thus, how do you separate between which part of the Bible is word of God and should be followed and which part is not? Do you have a methodology?"

 

[Spartan]

My question - "Thus, how do you separate between which part of the Bible is word of God and should be followed and which part is not? Do you have a methodology?"

If you study it then that will become clearer to you. For instance, the moral laws of God have never changed. Adultery, homosexual sex, thievery, idolatry, etc., are sins in both the Old and New Testament. The old sacrificial protocols are different now with the sacrifice of Christ. Those sorts of things.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Another non-answer rhetoric. Now I expect this kind from you so all good.

My question - "Thus, how do you separate between which part of the Bible is word of God and should be followed and which part is not? Do you have a methodology?"

Again, I do not see I gave you a non answer. I see I gave the complete answer, the fail safe answer.

Pick up a King James translation of the Bible and be assured that it contains front to back the Word of God.

Then consider my previous answer, upon reading what it contains. There is no part that I can separate from the Bible, I do not have that authority, thus it becomes the way I read and interpret what has been recorded.

In the end it should lead me to live the fruits of the Spirit, it should not lead me towards the desire to control the mind of men, or to conquer and control men.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

If you study it then that will become clearer to you. For instance, the moral laws of God have never changed. Adultery, homosexual sex, thievery, idolatry, etc., are sins in both the Old and New Testament. The old sacrificial protocols are different now with the sacrifice of Christ. Those sorts of things.

I see that as the changeless Faith of God.

The key here is that one must accept the next Messenger before they see the annulment of previous sundry laws.

A good example is the direction of worship which was changed by Muhammad, then the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

Regards Tony

 

[Spartan]

1. Davidic lineage: IF you accept the gospels, Joseph was not the earthly father of Jesus; in fact Jesus had no earthly father. Therefore Jesus had no Davidic lineage, since foster/adoptive fathers don't count in Jewish law.

"Two things may be noted by way of conclusion. First, many rabbinic objections to the messiahship of Jesus are based on his genealogy. The argument goes, “Since Jesus was not a descendant of David through his father, he cannot be Messiah and King.” But the Messiah was supposed to be different. As early as Genesis 3:15, it was proposed that the Messiah would be reckoned after the “seed of the woman,” although this went contrary to the biblical norm. The necessity for this exception to the rule became apparent when Isaiah 7:14 prophesied that the Messiah would be born of a virgin: “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call his name Immanuel.” Whereas all others receive their humanity from both father and mother, the Messiah would receive his humanity entirely from his mother. Whereas Jewish nationality and tribal identity were normally determined by the father, with the Messiah it would be different. Since he was to have no human father, his nationality and his tribal identity would come entirely from his mother. True, this is contrary to the norm, but so is a virgin birth. With the Messiah, things would be different."

The Genealogy of the Messiah • Jews for Jesus

 

[firedragon]

If you study it then that will become clearer to you. For instance, the moral laws of God have never changed. Adultery, homosexual sex, thievery, idolatry, etc., are sins in both the Old and New Testament. The old sacrificial protocols are different now with the sacrifice of Christ. Those sorts of things.

You're a Christian. So that question doesnt apply to you.

 

[firedragon]

Again, I do not see I gave you a non answer. I see I gvae the complete answer, the fail safe answer.

Pick up a King James translation of the Bible and be assured that it contains front to back the Word of God.

Then consider my previous answer, upon reading what it contains. There is no part that I can separate from the Bible, I do not have that authority, thus it becomes the way I read and interpret what has been recorded.

In the end it should led me to live the fruits of the Spirit, it should not lead me towards the desire to control the mind of men, or to conquer and control men.

Regards Tony

Ah. Finally you gave an answer. You believe the king james version, from cover to cover is the word of god.

So you believe the whole kjv, the Quran, all writings of bab and bahaullah are all inerrant word of god.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Ah. Finally you gave an answer. You believe the king james version, from cover to cover is the word of god.

So you believe the whole kjv, the Quran, all writings of bab and bahaullah are all inerrant word of god.

That is not what was said. The Bible contains the Word of God. I can not tell you the Bible is 100% Authentic.

Regards Tony

 

[firedragon]

That's why

That is not what was said. The Bible contains the Word of God. I can not tell you the Bible is 100% Authentic.

Regards Tony

That's why brother I am asking you how you differentiate between what's gods word that you follow, and what's not.

There has to be a methodology. A form of criticism you use.

What are you saying? You dont have any methodology? What is it?

You finally gave clear answers to Quran and the writings of bab and bahaullah.

But you're beating about the Bush when it comes to the bible. You made a statement about the kjv but you're retracting it now.

So what's your methodology?

 

[wizanda]

"Thus, how do you separate between which part of the Bible is word of God and should be followed and which part is not? Do you have a methodology?"

As the person sent with the new name of Christ here before the Great Tribulation, the way to establish which parts are legitimate, is the same as what my name means exegesis (Zend).

The methodology to showing where all the fake texts are is comparative study; we can use Bible software similar to Esword, with a KJV+, HOT+, Greek+, KJV Concordance, the plus means we can search by Strongs indexing, instead of by words, so we can get precise objective results of paraphrasing.

The real prophets use a form of paraphrasing of each other, where the contexts continues by keywords, and pictures presented; when bits go out of the collective picture, that can be established by some of the more clear prophecies, we can then show the rest don't fit with the correlated picture...

Yet we have to start precept upon precept, which means starting at the earliest texts, and building from there; a later idea that correlates with the same pictures presented previously is acceptable, yet when people are literally using later texts, to overwrite ideas in the previous revelations, they're missing the point - God doesn't change.

In my opinion.

 

[firedragon]

As the person sent with the new name of Christ here before the Great Tribulation, the way to establish which parts are legitimate, is the same as what my name means exegesis (Zend).

The methodology to showing where all the fake texts are is comparative study; we can use Bible software similar to Esword, with a KJV+, HOT+, Greek+, KJV Concordance, the plus means we can search by Strongs indexing, instead of by words, so we can get precise objective results of paraphrasing.

The real prophets use a form of paraphrasing of each other, where the contexts continues by keywords, and pictures presented; when bits go out of the collective picture, that can be established by some of the more clear prophecies, we can then show the rest don't fit with the correlated picture...

Yet we have to start precept upon precept, which means starting at the earliest texts, and building from there; a later idea that correlates with the same pictures presented previously is acceptable, yet when people are literally using later texts, to overwrite ideas in the previous revelations, they're missing the point - God doesn't change.

In my opinion.

Hmm. That's interesting. So what parts do you pick to follow and what parts do you not?

 

[Spartan]

You're a Christian. So that question doesnt apply to you.

Too bad. You got educated anyway.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

That's why


That's why brother I am asking you how you differentiate between what's gods word that you follow, and what's not.

There has to be a methodology. A form of criticism you use.

What are you saying? You dont have any methodology? What is it?

You finally gave clear answers to Quran and the writings of bab and bahaullah.

But you're beating about the Bush when it comes to the bible. You made a statement about the kjv but you're retracting it now.

So what's your methodology?

It is simple and I have told you.

I read the Bible to find all that is good. All that shows us God is One. I do not need to know what it all means, what may not be 100% accurately recorded.

We have the Quran and all the Baha'i writings to study.

Regards Tony

 

[firedragon]

So what you're saying is that when it comes to the bible your methodology of criticism is ad hoc. You pick what you think is right.

 

[firedragon]

Too bad. You got educated anyway.

Not at this time but thanks.