Strawman fallacy - this has always been about Abe not knowing the name YHWH .. not that YHWH was not known in general... and you know this but in desperation to deflect and deny you cry "why why why" and pretend not to understand.
But you keep claiming that Exodus 6:3 is about Abe not knowing YHWH's name, but, that verse doesn't say that.
Exodus 6:3 is saying that a specific manner, attribute, of YHWH was not known
to them , Abe, 'Zach, and Jake. But the "not knowing" is not connected to the name. It doesn't even say "the name El Shaddai". The words "the name" in that part of the verse is added, it doesn't exist in the original. But because you don't know the language, and are using english, ... and don't listen, you keep making the same msitake over and over and over and over
So -- let us be clear .. one more time .. Abe did not know his God by the name YHWH === You claim otherwise crying
And the verse you're basing this one is being misunderstood and mis translated.
"YHWH - thats the name he uses >>> multiple times... as you have been shown" --- and I have addressed your claim .. telling you why YHWH is there .. you completely unable to refute .. and in fact supported my claim that the Israelites were raging Pagans.
dude, Abe was not an israelite. You have only claimed that someone went in and inserted YWHW, but I have yet to see any actual evidence or reasons to make that conclusion.
All of that is based on the DH which has been debunked. Trying to pretend that redactors went in a changed the divine names around was a necessary WEAK assumption inorder to split the text into 4 distinct sources. But doing so pruduced so many different souces, it became ridiculous. Every other verse belonged to different sources.
but FINALLY -- you tell us the name of the God you Worship .. claiming it is the God of Abraham ... the name used many times in a narrative written by redactors
No, not written, compiled.
... after 500 BC during Persian times. so kudo's for that much .. that diversion finally to an end .. like Pulling Teeth out of a Dinosaur .. which you likely believe existed ~6000 years ago .. at the beginning of creation.
You dont know my beliefs, except I believe you are wrong to believe bloogers and Youtubbiez without actually researching the evidence.
but --lest we digress further ---- Why do you believe in the God of Lies and Deceit ? this trickster God .. like Loki .. or perhaps ENKI even better .. though I don't recall either of those others being so vile and nasty as this YHWH God is depicted .. but you are welcome to your story ..
I don't. That's some other non-god.
Why do you believe that YHWH lied to Moses .. telling Moses that Abe never knew his God by the name YHWH ?
YHWH didn't say that.
What's said is:
וארא אל־אברהם אל־יצחק ואל־יעקב באל שדי ושמי יהוה לא נודעתי להם׃
And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, [as an] almight god, but [I swear by] my name, [my eternal attributes] YHWV, was I not known to them.
This is because "
באל שדי" has the "
ב" prefix, and "
ושמי" has the "
ו" prefix, and "
נודעתי
" has the "נ" prefix. Unless you can explain those grammatical issues, then you are misunderstanding this verse.
It does NOT mean that Abe didn't know YHWH by the name YHWH. Abe DID know that name, obviously.
and - do you think we should kill the child for the sins of the parent and/or Tribe - or should be have a rule in place stating Children are not to be punished for the sins of the Other .. leading to a general "Rule of Law" one person is not to be punished for the actions of another. (so Brilliant on YHWH's part should he choose to give us this rule)
I'm happy to discuss those important issues after:
- You produce a quote of Abe using the name EL when speaking to God OR abandon the claim that EL was Abe's god.
- You fill in the blanks of Psalm 82 with your own preferred translation showing that contradictions are being accepted OR abandon the claim that Psalm 82 describes a pagan pantheon
- You produce evidence that Zedek was the patron God of Jerusalem OR abandon that claim
- You produce evidence hat Zadok was not a levite OR abandon that claim
why do you claim that God lied ..by claiming that Abe knew his God by the Name YHWH ?
Why do you keep ignoring the actual translation of that verse?
and all legit theological scholarship agrees ..
No they don't. You just don't have access to the legit scholars, nor would you know how to judge them if you found them.
I attached a peer-reviewed article confirming what I'm saying. If your blooger-schoolers are permitted, then an actual peer reviewed article should be permitted.
It confirms that the relfexive verb form cannot be intended to mean that Abe did not know the name YHWH. And it also confirms that in context a quesion mark at the end of the sentence might be appropriate.
What YOU need to do is find a scholar who writes about these issues and refutes them. All I've seen is the typical non-critical-thinking approach which is, "The english bible says this, and it agrees with my theory that YHWH was added by redactors, so, I refuse to look at the original language."
so don't bother providing some stupid apology from some crackpot fundamentalist nutter. The contradiction is 100% clear .. no linguistic tricks
No tricks, just grammar. No crack pot, just a real scholar publishing in a real peer-reviewed journal, lacking a paywall so it can actually be read in its entirety.
Of course, you'll never accept it, because, you'll label anything that disagrees with you nuts. But at this point I've brought I think, 5 sources all agreeing with me. And you brought, ummmmm, nothing so far on Exodus 6:3. Again, you need to find someone who addresses the actual language and grammar.
Ignoring the language and grammar means, you're not reading the words of YHWH.
No.... I've brought real evidence. real reasons why your theories are weak.
Here. Here's a link to google search results for nifal reflexive. It's a real actual thing, but your sources are either ignorant or lying by omission.
Link to google search results
.. so by their fruit you shall know .. the speakers of Lies .. says our Lord and Savior .. a fellow you don't follow .. but just saying ... the decepticons are out in full force ..
Yeah, I mean, it only takes a "D" to get a "Diploma". So, by their fruits, we can tell, they don't really know stuff. Kinda like you.
Tell me what to do with the Child ... the Fetus .. and the Baby .. what does your God advise - Kill for the sin of the Tribe .. or not to kill - that is the second question you need answer Brother G.
I'm happy to discuss that with you once you have abandoned all this other nonsense. It's a good important question.
