Why do many Muslims believe that God wants them to injure, kill, or imprison homosexuals?

[Autodidact]

oh really? tell me all about it, Autodidact. i haven't checked the news yet but i assume it must be very recent like this morning or this afternoon since i haven't heard about it, not even from people around. so you say, some people who pretend to be Muslims did it. wow, just wow. how did they manage to figure that out? it must be very difficult to make tiny little pieces of meat talk. that would be also great if you just provide source for your claims. that would be very interesting to read considering it was English secret agencies who wear like Iraqis and shot at civilians on the streets to start chaos among Iraqis. well, nothing really changes..right?

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Londoner Asif Hanif, 21, killed three people and injured 55 by blowing himself up in Tel Aviv, last April.
Omar Khan Sharif, 27, of Derby, is thought to have fled after explosives strapped to his body failed.
The Israeli government said the Britons were part of a "terrorists' war" being waged by Hamas on Israel.

[BBC, 2004]

The 7 July 2005 London bombings, also known as 7/7, were a series of coordinated suicide attacks on London's public transport system during the morning rush hour. The bombings were carried out by four British Muslim men, three of Pakistani and one of Jamaican descent...

[wiki, 2005]

I'm glad you can find some humor in it; I doubt that the families of the victims feel the same way.

Now you're saying they were only pretending to be Muslims? On what do you base that? Do you know them? Why would they pretend to be Muslims? What would they hope to gain by pretending to be Muslim? Don't you think a willingness to die for their beliefs indicates they were probably sincere?

You want to know how British Intelligence solved the crimes? Are you trying to deny the results? Who do you think set those bombs? Why? You're trying to say that English security agents planted these bombs? That's what you want us to believe?!?!

 

[.lava]

I'm glad you can find some humor in it; I doubt that the families of the victims feel the same way.

i have experienced a bomb going off, Autodidact, unlike you. i assure you there is nothing nice about it. though i find humor in your accusations.

Now you're saying they were only pretending to be Muslims? On what do you base that? Do you know them? Why would they pretend to be Muslims? What would they hope to gain by pretending to be Muslim? Don't you think a willingness to die for their beliefs indicates they were probably sincere?

you said it yourself, you said they are so-called Muslims, remember?

You want to know how British Intelligence solved the crimes?

no, i don't.

Are you trying to deny the results?

no, i don't.

Who do you think set those bombs?

how should i know? we have a huge political soup with terror seasoning on the table. we need to find the Cook for healthy answers.

Why?

probably to serve order of chaos.

You're trying to say that English security agents planted these bombs?

no, i don't. but they probably knew about it.

That's what you want us to believe?!?!

no, it is not. but there are two sides of this world. each side has its own version of everything. IMO each side has some fake and real information. only if we could delete the false ones and unite the real info of both sides, then we would clearly see what's really going on. therefor i won't be depend on Western media to reach a conclusion. politics are dirty. they tell lie and slander people. they follow strategies to invade nations with a reasonable cause. they do anything, including sacrificing of their own people, to make that happen. even for evil there is greater good. so they would not mind if a few thosand were killed as long as they are not relatives. are you asking me to ignore this dirty fact of this planet that's ruled by war lords and money worshippers?.....just don't

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[Autodidact]

you said it yourself, you said they are so-called Muslims, remember?

No, I call them Muslims. eselam and others deny they are "real Muslims" (since real Muslims don't do bad things) so I'm agreeing to use the term "so-called Muslims" so we can stop having that annoying argument about nomenclature. But I don't think even eselam (or you) are claiming they're only pretending to be Muslims, are you?

how should i know? we have a huge political soup with terror seasoning on the table. we need to find the Cook for healthy answers.

Well the authorities have done their best to identify the culprits, so I think chances are that we do know.

probably to serve order of chaos.

Well don't you think that figuring out who's doing it, and why, might help us prevent more of it?

no, i don't. but they probably knew about it.

Well that's a sickening accusation. I hope you can back it up with evidence.

 

[stiletto]

You have a huge fault in your questions. You focus on Muslims too much. The United States is a non-Muslim country. Muslims, Christians, Jews, Atheists, etc all have been responsible for mistreatment of homosexuals. So you should not focus on Muslims.

The question should be what should anyone do about the physical mistreatment of homosexuals, or for that matter, and minority group?

How is it flawed to ask a question which focused on a religious group which contains members that actually murder homosexuals?

Can you provide any evidence of groups of Christians, Jews or Atheists murdering homosexuals in the name of their faith or lack of?

IMO it's not flawed to ask a question focused on a religious sub-group who's mistreatment of homosexuals is (likely) even repulsive to others who mistreat homosexuals.

 

[.lava]

No, I call them Muslims. eselam and others deny they are "real Muslims" (since real Muslims don't do bad things) so I'm agreeing to use the term "so-called Muslims" so we can stop having that annoying argument about nomenclature. But I don't think even eselam (or you) are claiming they're only pretending to be Muslims, are you?

i disagree with that opinion. Muslims also do sin and they might deserve hell.

Well the authorities have done their best to identify the culprits, so I think chances are that we do know.

of course those authorities are very neutral and angelic people, as always.

Well don't you think that figuring out who's doing it, and why, might help us prevent more of it?

in general, yes, that's how it works.

Well that's a sickening accusation. I hope you can back it up with evidence.

back it up...what? human greed? similar strategies were used in the past and though old people go and new people come human ego has the same vices. there are people who would do aything to gain whatever they want. that's why they are so eager to rule millions. would you like to be the leader of 250 million people and decide for their destiny? i would not

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[Ahmad Rushd]

that's pretty false information. but don't worry Muslims are used to see this kind of manipulations. that verse is given to Muslims while they were under attack by enemies of Muslims. in Canada noone is killing people for being Muslims and so far i know Muslims can practice their religion without being oppressed by Canadian government. they have no need to fight back. besides Canada belongs to Canadian. Muslims there either guests or immigrants which means they should respect laws of Canadian government

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. lava, I did not describe the event for which it was given you are thus wrong in accusing me of manipulations and I described what does the verse mean to Muslims since the Qur'an is believed by Muslims to be eternal i.e. its instructions or commands are valid till the Day of Judgment. The Muslims DID not have militant enemies basically but Muslims WERE the enemies of Arabs later waged war against them. What does this say is that Allah commands Muslims to fight Non-Muslims until there is no distraction to the Muslim faith, "tumult, oppression, and Islamic justice" wherever the Muslims live. You object by bringing the western Islam as example but keep in mind I am describing the pure Islam the 7th century politico-religo-conquering Islamic Empire, Muslims long for that Islam. Those who say that all the brutal, inhumane commands & instructions (cutting the hands of thieves both men and women, killing the Muslims who leave the yoke of Allah) were only for the 7th century Islam go against Allah guidance in the Qur’an. The fact is that the Qur'an tells that Allah is all-knowing, all-present, all-powerful, the Creator of mankind and existence and warns Muslims to obey Him in all things Quran 2:85: Do you, then, believe in some parts of the divine writ and deny the truth of other parts? What, then, could be the reward of those among you who do such things but ignominy in the life of this world and, on the Day of Resurrection; they will be consigned to most grievous suffering? For God is not unmindful of what you do.” The place of wrongdoers in Islam is in the Blazing Fire leaves Muslims to obey all the commands, instructions of Allah (you may object by bringing the example of Muslims in Canada but when Mohammad was powerless in Mecca, he say to you your religion and to me mine but when he became powerful in Medina his Allah delivered to him verses to kill the pagans, wage war on the unbelievers, strive against the unbelievers, sex slavery) whether they be completely inhumane, barbaric like 9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong; 5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise. What a powerless and unwise Allah! it seems that Allah is completely the other who knows only is to terrorize people, can't Allah win the hearts of sinners by showing compassion and mercy to the sinner?
Allah did not confirm that He is the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, because He actually claimed that Jesus did those miracles by His power but never did those miracles in the life of Mohammad, another one is that the Yahweh the God of Abraham, Moses and Jesus, fought Himself for Israel on its critical times but Allah never fought for Muslims but left the dirty blood work for them to do, therefore, the God of Mohammad is not the God of Jesus of the Bible, Allah never in actuality raised the dead, healed the sick, opened the eyes of the blind, it is easy I can also claim to be the Messiah, my messiahship will be tested in this that can my God raised the dead... do the miracles that Jesus performed, Mohammad is no exception, he and his God are to be tested as well.

 

[Gharib]

It's a very positive way of life that more women should consider. It has many advantages, health and safety being only one.

you mean 2 advantages.

so you recon it's ok not to ever have kids.

 

[Gharib]

Better stated, why shouldn't homosexuals be allowed to have sex? What harm does it do? What options do they have?

no answer to my question. are you going to answer it?
please read post #77

Homosexuality is practiced by at least 1500 species of animals and birds. Why do you think that millions of animals and birds practice homosexuality? Some animals prefer homosexual behavior even when heterosexual behavior is available.

in that case bestiality is ok too. do you know the byproduct of a horse and a donkey?
to kill ones child is ok too, animals are doing it. so it must be ok.
stealing is ok to, have you seen animals steal? do you want to?

the fact that you are using animal behaviour to justify human behaviour shows just what a low act homosexuality is. homosexuality is an animalistic behaviour, as you are trying to justify it.

thos emillions of animals use homosexual behaviour for many purposes and all are very clear if you have actually studied such behaviour. some animals use it for conflict resolution, som euse it to form ties and have stronger packs (groups), some refuse heterosexual sex because they were most likely born in captivity and human interference is the result of homosexuality.

do you want any more examples? go to the thread entitled "Does homosexuality occur in animals" in the one-on-one debate section.

 

[Gharib]

See I always have to wonder, when I see some Muslims saying punish homosexuals, punish fornicators, adulterers, etc. Do they mean be the bedroom police or only punish for open sexual acts? Because I can tell you as a former Shi'ite that the only time the Koran permits punishment for any sexual act, sin or not, is done in public with four witnesses. Muslims are not to be the bedroom police and try to control what goes on in private out of public society.

no the only cases where a punishment is issued is when there are sufficent evidence. anal sex is not allowed in islam, but we don't go pointing the finger you did it. if an act that is punishable becomes public and there is sufficent evidence then a punishment is carried out, again depending on the evidence.

 

[Gharib]

the muslim members here on RF are some of the most two faced people i have ever met. in one instance (terrorism) you say that the killing of innocents is bad. in another instance (homosexuality & sorcery) you say the killing of innocents is perfectly ok. you do more to discredit your religion than the great satan that is the western media could ever hope to do. ive come to realize that when most muslims say that islam is a religion of peace, that this peace comes only from violence, death, and repression. keep up the good work, maybe you'll someday succeed in killing every sinner on earth. then the true islamic peace can come to this world.

thanks for your input. btw muslims aren't the people who say drugs are forbiden and then make them very accesible to everyone.

 

[Gharib]

I don't think it's possible to reason with someone like you. Insult the Muslims and their religion now all you want.

i can testify to that. no reasoning whatsoever. we're all speaking english for gods sake. how hard could it be to understand one another.

 

[Kerr]

you mean 2 advantages.

so you recon it's ok not to ever have kids.

Is it a duty to have kids ? And does adoption not count?

 

[Gharib]

I find it amusing / sad that every time the subject of gay people comes up in a thread a Muslim feels the need to compare it to either rape or bestiality. What does the sexual expression of two consenting adults who care about each other have to do with either of those two things? The bottom line is you just don't have a good argument for why you feel okay with persecuting LGBT people, other than Allah told you to do it. God is about love, not hate - no matter what you happen to proclaim.

right it's two consenting adults, that makes it ok. why aren't those mercy killings allowed in the west, appart from a few countries, thats 2 consenting adults too. tell me did those 2 consenting adults choose to come to this life? if not, don't you recon that life isn't all that free than what the west makes it to be?

 

[Gharib]

Is it a duty to have kids ? And does adoption not count?

no it is not a duty, if you look at it from a non-islamic perspective. how healthy do you find it if a child grew up with 2 parents of the same sex? wheres the father figure? wheres the mother figure? see homosexuality causes harm to innocent kids, who do not consent. it is done against their better judgement and their will in many cases.

 

[Gharib]

It says more about the people making the comparison than it does about homosexuality.

right, using animal behaviour to justify that of humans doesn't say much, how silly of me to bring up bestiality.

 

[Gharib]

O.K., so I gather there is not a Muslim here who is willing to grant me equal rights?

Can you take a wild guess as to why I might want to oppose Islam?

to oppose islam is one thing, you have a right, just like we do against homosexuality, but to spread lies like you always do, that is another thing.

 

[Kerr]

no it is not a duty, if you look at it from a non-islamic perspective.

I would even argue it is wrong to regard it a duty.

how healthy do you find it if a child grew up with 2 parents of the same sex? wheres the father figure? wheres the mother figure? see homosexuality causes harm to innocent kids, who do not consent. it is done against their better judgement and their will in many cases.

That may be what you believe, but to my knowledge the children are not any more harmed then any other children. The family model that is usually called traditional is not the only one that works.

 

[Gharib]

I think this belongs in the other thread. However for some reason Muslims in England are bombing people. Oh, excuse me, so-called Muslims.

see what i mean about speaking lies?

 

[Gharib]

To Yosef, I was describing the true Islam which is found in the 7th century, the integrity of my discribtion is confirmed by the bloody jihad history of Islam (submission) that conquired by the sword much of the the known world, if I did not bring verses from the Qur'an, you could actually accusseme of liying but I confirm what I say from the Qur'an, those verses are crystal even though if taken out of context. Muslims no matter in what ages across history they live, they will try to follow the barbaric Qur'an and Hadis, Islam is anti-peace, when people say what is Islam, it is essential to point them the 7th century Islam which was the true Islam, Mohammad himself conducted a sudden attack on a tribe in Arabia thus terrorrizing the tribe, that is said in one of the authnetic hadis, the majority of Muslims are Sunnis, they believe in the Hadis, the Qur'an does not have its own context, its context is found in the Hadis. Ali was one of the warrirors of Allah, just bring to your mind the Sword of Ali, if I don't mistake its name is Zulfiqar. Awake, buy a Qur'an and enlighten yourself with the faith, ideology of the majority of Muslims. Read the Hadis also cause it is the context of the Qur'an, it is not a commad but suggestion and advice

so you have the authority to comment on the verses and interprete them. please enlighten us with your ignorance.

 

[Autodidact]

you mean 2 advantages.

so you recon it's ok not to ever have kids.

Well that's up to the individual. One of the many advantages of lesbianism is that a woman can control this decision completely. I have 3 children, myself, of which I gave birth to one.