Why do muslims hate democracy

[Al-Fatihah]

... the non-sequitur is strong in you, Padawan.

Response: Your weak rebuttal shows otherwise.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

The "better deterrent" for promiscuity is learning how to control yourself appropriately, no matter what you see.

Your line of thinking places the whole onus for moral behavior on the woman: if she dresses "inappropriately," she's baiting the poor man, who can't think outside his pants, so the whole thing is her fault. The men are given no responsibility to act appropriately. That's sexism, O Best Beloved. A great example of this is that it's the women who have to be covered head-to-toe -- not the men. Why don't the men have to be covered? The black sheet is nothing more than an excuse to keep women beat down. The "solution" aspect is nothing more than a cheap justification for sexism.

In a mature and responsible society, people are allowed to dress however they wish, and others are expected to keep their hands to themselves. Islam, in that case, is part of the problem -- not the solution.

Response: And if self-determination was the solution, then their would be no need for any laws to wear clothes. Yet the fact that there is once again exposes and debunks your absurd solution and supports the fact that Islam is the solution. In fact, using your logic, there is no need for government or even parents for that matter. As all we need is self-determination. That's it. So why don't you have a child, then leave it to be without no food or guidance and see what happens to you and your child? Let him/her raise their self simply off of self-determination. Any reasonable person can see the sheer absurdity in your philosophy.

All people need guidance, as we are all born in a state of not knowing, and susceptible to be influenced by others. Only in an alien life form society does one thinks that one can live in a society where everyone can be naked rather than covered, and this somehow is a better solution to condemn promiscuity. Not in a human society. In that case, your alien life form is the problem, not Islam.

And not once did I say it is solely a woman's fault for a man's behavior, so your weak strawman fails.

 

[Poeticus]

Response: Your weak rebuttal shows otherwise.

The only weak rebuttal is your warped appropriation of the concept of logic. Not only have you failed to follow the premise of Sojourner's posts, you have also failed to adequately defend your position---which has been characterized by a cloak of pseudo-logic.

As Sojourner said:

The "better deterrent" for promiscuity is learning how to control yourself appropriately, no matter what you see.

Your line of thinking places the whole onus for moral behavior on the woman: if she dresses "inappropriately," she's baiting the poor man, who can't think outside his pants, so the whole thing is her fault.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

The only weak rebuttal is your warped appropriation of the concept of logic. Not only have you failed to follow the premise of Sojourner's posts, you have also failed to adequately defend your position---which has been characterized by a cloak of pseudo-logic.

As Sojourner said:

Response: Yet your weak rebuttal continues to show us otherwise. Can you show us one study or evidence that says that being covered causes promiscuity, rather than being uncovered? No. Can you show that being covered draws more sexual attention than uncovered? No. Debunked by your own warped logic. In fact, why don't you and sojourner back up your claims by walking the street right now naked and self-determined and see whether the reaction is not lustful or sexual? Go on. We'll wait.

Exactly. Debunked by your own sheer absurdity.

 

[Poeticus]

Response: Yet your weak rebuttal continues to show us otherwise. Can you show us one study or evidence that says that being covered causes promiscuity, rather than being uncovered? No. Can you show that being covered draws more sexual attention than uncovered? No. Debunked by your own warped logic. In fact, why don't you and sojourner back up your claims by walking the street right now naked and self-determined and see whether the reaction is not lustful or sexual? Go on. We'll wait.

Exactly. Debunked by your own sheer absurdity.

As per the logic of positive affirmations, it's your job to prove otherwise. Until then and unlike you, I'll patiently wait.

 

[Poeticus]

Personally, I think Fatihah is doing a great job showing the real face of Islam. The reader would be wise to pay very close attention.

... actually, Muslim Atheist© was more entertaining.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

As per the logic of positive affirmations, it's your job to prove otherwise. Until then and unlike you, I'll patiently wait.

Response: To the contrary, as it is your claim that my logic is invalid, then it is your job to support your claim since it is your claim and not mine. I'll patiently wait.

 

[sojourner]

Response: And if self-determination was the solution, then their would be no need for any laws to wear clothes. Yet the fact that there is once again exposes and debunks your absurd solution and supports the fact that Islam is the solution. In fact, using your logic, there is no need for government or even parents for that matter. As all we need is self-determination. That's it. So why don't you have a child, then leave it to be without no food or guidance and see what happens to you and your child? Let him/her raise their self simply off of self-determination. Any reasonable person can see the sheer absurdity in your philosophy.

All people need guidance, as we are all born in a state of not knowing, and susceptible to be influenced by others. Only in an alien life form society does one thinks that one can live in a society where everyone can be naked rather than covered, and this somehow is a better solution to condemn promiscuity. Not in a human society. In that case, your alien life form is the problem, not Islam.

And not once did I say it is solely a woman's fault for a man's behavior, so your weak strawman fails.

Self-determination includes taking care of those who cannot care for themselves. it includes social responsibility. Islam is not the answer, for it assumes that grown-up men are irresponsible with their wangs and need guidance, and that women are irresponsible with their sexuality and need to be hidden. Here, promiscuity is socially frowned upon, but it's not a capital offense.

 

[Poeticus]

Response: To the contrary, as it is your claim that my logic is invalid, then it is your job to support your claim since it is your claim and not mine. I'll patiently wait.

... but that would be quite the digressive non-sequitur then, wouldn't it?

See what I did there? O' dear logic, how gloriously ironic you can be!

 

[sojourner]

Response: Yet your weak rebuttal continues to show us otherwise. Can you show us one study or evidence that says that being covered causes promiscuity, rather than being uncovered? No. Can you show that being covered draws more sexual attention than uncovered? No. Debunked by your own warped logic. In fact, why don't you and sojourner back up your claims by walking the street right now naked and self-determined and see whether the reaction is not lustful or sexual? Go on. We'll wait.

Exactly. Debunked by your own sheer absurdity.

It doesn't cause promiscuity, but it fosters something more insidious: the dehumanization of half the population. If these people would learn to keep their hands to themselves appropriately and take responsibility for their own poor boundaries, women wouldn't need to be vilified in such a manner. Dehumanization is a poor trade-off for moral irresponsibility.

 

[sojourner]

Response: Yet your weak rebuttal continues to show us otherwise. Can you show us one study or evidence that says that being covered causes promiscuity, rather than being uncovered? No. Can you show that being covered draws more sexual attention than uncovered? No. Debunked by your own warped logic. In fact, why don't you and sojourner back up your claims by walking the street right now naked and self-determined and see whether the reaction is not lustful or sexual? Go on. We'll wait.

Exactly. Debunked by your own sheer absurdity.

Your defense is nothing more than vapid hyperbole. No one's talking about inappropriate nudity. We're talking about proper boundaries without dehumanizing half the population.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Self-determination includes taking care of those who cannot care for themselves. it includes social responsibility. Islam is not the answer, for it assumes that grown-up men are irresponsible with their wangs and need guidance, and that women are irresponsible with their sexuality and need to be hidden. Here, promiscuity is socially frowned upon, but it's not a capital offense.

Response: Strawman. You are telling us that the solution to promiscuity is not to be covered, but to be naked and self-determined. So prove it. Do you have a study? No. Can you show us a tape of you walking the street naked, then covered, and everyone's reaction is more lustful and sexual to you when you are covered? No. So your argument is fallacious and supports the fact that Islam is the solution.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Your defense is nothing more than vapid hyperbole. No one's talking about inappropriate nudity. We're talking about proper boundaries without dehumanizing half the population.

Response: No. We're talking about your stance that being covered is more of a problem and not a solution than being uncovered. Yet we still see you fail to support such a fallacious claim with any sound evidence.

 

[Al-Fatihah]

... but that would be quite the digressive non-sequitur then, wouldn't it?

See what I did there? O' dear logic, how gloriously ironic you can be!

Response: In other words, you cannot support your claims, thus making my point. Thanks.

 

[sojourner]

Response: Strawman. You are telling us that the solution to promiscuity is not to be covered, but to be naked and self-determined. So prove it. Do you have a study? No. Can you show us a tape of you walking the street naked, then covered, and everyone's reaction is more lustful and sexual to you when you are covered? No. So your argument is fallacious and supports the fact that Islam is the solution.

Wrong. I'm telling you that the solution to promiscuity is to realize that it's possible for men to be responsible for their little trouser snake, no matter what they see on the street. The solution to promiscuity is appropriate personal boundaries.

The problem, I suspect, is that the typical mid-Eastern, Islamic mind set is to objectify women -- treating them as less than human -- and therefore it's OK to violate boundaries. IOW, you must keep women covered, in order not to temp men to violate -- not personal space, but someone else's property. it's a fundamental, social illness, cloaked in religious "morality."

 

[Poeticus]

Response: In other words, you cannot support your claims, thus making my point. Thanks.

And what are my claims, Al?

 

[Al-Fatihah]

Wrong. I'm telling you that the solution to promiscuity is to realize that it's possible for men to be responsible for their little trouser snake, no matter what they see on the street. The solution to promiscuity is appropriate personal boundaries.

The problem, I suspect, is that the typical mid-Eastern, Islamic mind set is to objectify women -- treating them as less than human -- and therefore it's OK to violate boundaries. IOW, you must keep women covered, in order not to temp men to violate -- not personal space, but someone else's property. it's a fundamental, social illness, cloaked in religious "morality."

Response: Exactly. You claim that the solution is self-determination, regardless of what people wear. Now where is the evidence? You have none. No study says that being uncovered prevents promiscuity than being covered. Not one. Nor can you walk the street covered, then uncovered, and show that the reaction to being covered is more lustful. So your non-evidence refutes you, exposes you, and debunks you. Demonstrating once again that Islam has the solution, rather than your warped ideology.

 

[paarsurrey]

Originally Posted by paarsurrey
Why do Muslims hate democracy?

It is a wrong statement. Muslims don't hate democracy. There is nothing in Quran against democracy.

Not allowing non-Muslims to hold positions of authority certainly qualifies as non-democratic.

There is nothing in Quran supporting your viewpoint.

Regards

 

[Al-Fatihah]

And what are my claims, Al?

Response: If you cannot remember your own claims, then that is your problem.

 

[Poeticus]

Response: If you cannot remember your own claims, then that is your problem.

... but I like it when you forcefully remind me, Al. :flirt: