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Why does homosexuality seem to get more hate?

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
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‪5 Poofs and 2 Pianos by Tim Minchin‬‏ - YouTube

I like this bit:

"I know, I know I've seen the problem too
There's a rumour, I'm straight, it's true
It hurts to admit it
But I'm about as bent as Wossy himself
Or 50Cent

But I've already thought it through
You know there's preachers in America who reckon they can do
Sexuality conversions, I've heard them assert
They can cure a man from trouser-loving and turn him onto skirt

but I don't see why they couldn't pull the same trick in reverse..."
 
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Adonis65

Active Member
I actually explained this in my last post. I'm not dictating the sum of your experiences.

Yes you are. You may not think you are, but you are. I'm not interested in your lame excuses, gnomon. Just admit that you overstepped your bounds, and we'll continue with our discussion. ;)
 

Adonis65

Active Member
I think what he was referring to, is that homosexuality in most cases is not a choice. So, when you say that you have friends who were straight and then switched sides, what I think you're really talking about, is someone who is gay and was trying to fit into society by claiming to be straight...

Excellent. Now all you have to do is drum up some proof, and your theory will have support. But until then, we'll just have to take their word for it. :yes:
 
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Adonis65

Active Member
How many guns do you own? I hope none.
I don't own any.

From your replies, I'm guessing you don't know much about the US constituation.
I know enough about the constitution to know that our federal government doesn't follow it very well.

Hey Adonis, you're straight, right? Have you ever had any homosexual tendencies, like being sexually attracted to other people of the same sex? Once you answer this, you might realize that it's not like tuning on a light switch.
You're right. It's not like turning on a light switch. It's more like turning up the dimmers. You start with mild perversions, and work up from there.
 

Adonis65

Active Member
How on earth is this relevant?

Because it's traditionally what heterosexuals with morals do, before they get married. You know, the ones who are serious about marriage. The ones who stay faithful to each other until the end of their lives. I was just wondering if ol' waitasec knew any homosexuals who did the same thing.
 
Wow do you know the states of how many people actually wait until they are married. Oh and that includes people with morals. And that is kinda messed up to say that it is morally wrong to have sex before marriage. Considering that not everyone has the same standards of whats moral.
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
And you've just proven my point: gnomon, doesn't know. There are many things that I do not know, but I do know about my own experiences. So rather than sit there, like some overindulged arrogant liberal, and dictate the sum of my experiences to me, why don't you just politely ask me to clarify my point?
That much has been made abundantly clear this whole time
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
I have only personal experiences... and my personal experiences tell me that the "all gays are born gay" argument is a lie.

Then why not read more about it? Why not search the web for the countless pages that might help you get over "only personal experiences"? Why not search for surveys and data about it? What's stopping you?
 

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
Specifics, please. I've largely ignored you, methyl, because you're long-winded. But I think I'm ready to give you the attention you need, as you need a truck load of it. Where would you like to start?
Oh, I see... so apparantly it's my fault you've ignored me. Strange...

I would like to start were you left, a long way back in the thread, because you've ignored and/or missed a whole bunch of stuff, and you haven't addressed them.

For example, page 16.

I posted
Homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuals are doomed to spend eternity in hell. If they wanted to change, they could be healed of their evil ways. If they would turn away from temptation, they could be normal again if only they would try and try harder if it doesn't work. These are all the things I said to my son Bobby when I found out he was gay. When he told me he was homosexual my world fell apart. I did everything I could to cure him of his sickness. Eight months ago my son jumped off a bridge and killed himself. I deeply regret my lack of knowledge about gay and lesbian people. I see that everything I was taught and told was bigotry and de-humanizing slander. If I had investigated beyond what I was told, if I had just listened to my son when he poured his heart out to me I would not be standing here today with you filled with regret. I believe that God was pleased with Bobby's kind and loving spirit. In God's eyes kindness and love are what it's all about. I didn't know that each time I echoed eternal damnation for gay people each time I referred to Bobby as sick and perverted and a danger to our children. His self esteem and sense of worth were being destroyed. And finally his spirit broke beyond repair. It was not God's will that Bobby climbed over the side of a freeway overpass and jumped directly into the path of an eighteen-wheel truck which killed him instantly. Bobby's death was the direct result of his parent's ignorance and fear of the word gay. He wanted to be a writer. His hopes and dreams should not have been taken from him but they were. There are children, like Bobby, sitting in your congregations. Unknown to you they will be listening as you echo "amen" and that will soon silence their prayers. Their prayers to God for understanding and acceptance and for your love but your hatred and fear and ignorance of the word gay, will silence those prayers. So, before you echo "amen" in your home and place of worship. Think. Think and remember a child is listening.


Quote from Sigourney Weaver as Mary Griffith in the film Prayers for Bobby.




People do not start out straight and switch sides to become gay. However, people can start out ignorant, bigoted, and hateful, and then later switch sides. Ok, they don't start out ignorant, bigoted and hateful, but somewhere along the way they were taught to be. These people often fear the idea that their teachers might have been wrong. And if their teachers are wrong, then they are wrong. To have your perfect ideology broken is in fact, a terrifying thing. Allow yourself to be disillusioned - let the illusions fade. See people for who they really are, and what it means to simply be that. This goes not just for those who are homophobic, but also those who are racist, sexist, and those who show discrimination against anyone for any reason. If you truly act in love, then this is not too difficult to do.

You responded to that with
Why are you using a Hollywood script on a Christian to drive your point home? Are you not aware that the vast majority of what comes out of Hollywood is fiction? That paragraph does not reflect the gospel of Jesus, in any way, shape, or form. The Savior simply teaches us to fear God, and keep His commandments. If we deviate from that course, then we get a reward that suits our level of obedience.

And then proceeded to ignore the following post, where I said that this was based on a true story, and I gave you a link to Mary Griffith's story.

A side note - Just because something is fiction, doesn't mean it is entirely untrue. It doesn't mean that it won't have some truth in it somewhere.

A few more posts you missed/ignored/didn't see/didn't want to address/whatever:
you said:
Because the kind of love you are referring to is confusion. It's stated thus in the Old Testament, and it's also been revealed to prophets of God.
I have never been confused about what I felt in my whole life. Yes, I've been confused as to whether I should feel that way, but I've never been confused about how I feel. The only people I've known to be confused about how they feel are ones that have been told over and over again "Feeling this way is bad. If you feel this way, then you are bad." or something to that effect. The words used aren't really important, the message that has been sent is that if you feel a certain way about someone, and act on it in a way that is nothing short of love, then even God doesn't like the fact that you exist. That's why gay people are confused. That's why gay people commit suicide.

you said:
God has told me. He has told me through His prophets. He has told me through His scriptures. He has told me through my parents, my religious teachers, and my closest friends. He has told me through anyone else sent to me by Him. And most importantly, He has told me through my own desires to fear Him and keep His commandments.
Telling me that someone told you that someone told them that x and y is how the world works is not how you know homosexuality is a sin. How do you know? How did you figure it out? How did you come to that decision yourself? Did you even make that decision for yourself, or did you just let other people tell you how it is?
(emphasis added later)
 
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Adonis65

Active Member
Then why not read more about it? Why not search the web for the countless pages that might help you get over "only personal experiences"? Why not search for surveys and data about it? What's stopping you?

Why do I have to table my experiences? How many personal experiences is one required to have before he can make an informed opinion?
 

Adonis65

Active Member
You must have missed the part where it was based on a true story.

Mary Griffith's story

I won't dispute the fact that there are cruel people out there who refer to themselves as Christians. But I'm telling you right now, that way is not the Christian way. I am not into persecuting others. What I am into, is defending the sanctity of marriage. Now, I know that people like you would deem this as persecution, but it really isn't. What we are experiencing now, is a clash of belief systems. You want Christianity to stand down and let the opposing view work its repulsive behavior into mainstream America. Is this fair? I say it isn't. You call us haters, bigots and ignorant for not embracing homosexuality. We simply call that behavior, sin. In the end, only one side is going to win this cultural war, and I believe it's not going to be you people.
 
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waitasec

Veteran Member
I'm curious; how many homosexuals are you aware of that went into marriage as virgins? You know, the ones that saved themselves for marriage; how many?

can't you get through your thick skull that there are homosexuals who happen to be christian and practice abstinence until they get married in:
Argentina
Belgium
Canada
Iceland
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
you are so convinced that homosexuality is wrong that you fail to see how your logic and compassion have been compromised..and you call yourself a christian...?
shame on you.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Yes you are. You may not think you are, but you are. I'm not interested in your lame excuses, gnomon. Just admit that you overstepped your bounds, and we'll continue with our discussion. ;)

Being offended is not advancing your argument.
 
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