Why I don't accept Christian or Muslim Faith

[IndigoChild5559]

YHWH - Allah

Needs a verb.

 

[The Hammer]

The contradiction is you acknowledge there are wrong paths and condemn them. But are frustrated with paths that condemn other paths.

Nope, because as I said, I'm not condemning the overall message of the Bible or Quran. Only the actions of certain groups of people.

I don't care who believes this:
"The belief that "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God"

Or this:
"through belief in and acceptance of the death and resurrection of Jesus, sinful humans can be reconciled to God, and thereby are offered salvation and the promise of eternal life."

But I do care if it is forced. The only "bad path" is physical and mental harm to another, for the sake of self-gratification through 'gaining converts'.

Let others come to you in peace and time. And they will. Tell others they are wrong and need to believe the way another does right now, or else damnation... will only create enemies. Again I come back to what I said about Hospitality to others being of supreme importance.

 

[England my lionheart]

Tell that to the Christians and Muslims that want to forcibly convert others, or impose their religious will through law.

Not a good idea if your in a Muslim country

 

[paarsurrey]

I have a methodology that works for me, "my Path".

I don't really understand your question though. Truth is a fuzzy concept. What do you mean by "Truth"?

Please tell us the Methodology which one follows and which is correct and is to be followed by others, right?

Regards

 

[Colt]

YHWH - Allah

Same God viewed through the lens of different cultures. In time God tends to become a shadow of the holy men who write scripture about him.

 

[The Hammer]

Please tell us the Methodology which one follows and which is correct and is to be followed by others, right?

Regards

Not my call to tell others their methods to believe. There is no correct path, as long as you aren't harming others.

 

[The Hammer]

Same God viewed through the lens of different cultures. In time God tends to become a shadow of the holy men who write scripture about him.

In your view.

Which means All Gods are true and lead to spiritual insight.

No false religions. Different religious views and Gods, for differing peoples. As we all don't start in the same place, we all take differing paths.

 

[Colt]

In your view.

Which means All Gods are true and lead to spiritual insight.

No false religions. Different religious views and Gods, for differing peoples. As we all don't start in the same place, we all take differing paths.

Yes, I basically agree. All Gods are concepts which are relatively true.

 

[The Hammer]

Yes, I basically agree. All Gods are concepts which are relatively true.

Relatively true? All True overall imv.

Enjoy your beliefs. Go forth and do good things.

 

[Colt]

Relatively true? All True overall imv.

Enjoy your beliefs. Go forth and do good things.

Yes, If God is Infinite Truth, then finites can only ever be relatively right about anything no matter how accurate our understanding is and no matter how far we progress in the universe. There will always be more to learn about the Infinate. .

 

[The Hammer]

Yes, If God is Infinite Truth, then finites can only ever be relatively right about anything no matter how accurate our understanding is and no matter how far we progress in the universe. There will always be more to learn about the Infinate. .

I don't agree. But as I said, enjoy.

 

[Link]

Nope, because as I said, I'm not condemning the overall message of the Bible or Quran. Only the actions of certain groups of people.

I don't care who believes this:
"The belief that "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the Messenger of God"

Or this:
"through belief in and acceptance of the death and resurrection of Jesus, sinful humans can be reconciled to God, and thereby are offered salvation and the promise of eternal life."

But I do care if it is forced. The only "bad path" is physical and mental harm to another, for the sake of self-gratification through 'gaining converts'.

Let others come to you in peace and time. And they will. Tell others they are wrong and need to believe the way another does right now, or else damnation... will only create enemies. Again I come back to what I said about Hospitality to others being of supreme importance.

I agree with you faith should not be forced. But I'm referring to your logic. You want all paths to accept all paths, but you yourself for example condemn paths that force others. So it's a contradiction.

 

[The Hammer]

I agree with you faith should not be forced. But I'm referring to your logic. You want all paths to accept all paths, but you yourself for example condemn paths that force others. So it's a contradiction.

No contradiction.

Force isn't a path.

"and it harm none, do what you will".

Harming others is the only true ill/wrong path as you call it.

 

[Link]

No contradiction.

Force isn't a path.

"and it harm none, do what you will".

Harming others is the only true ill/wrong path as you call it.

Harms certainly to come from all wrong paths in my view. But with your viewpoint, you are defining it with what you deem wrong/ill, yet condemn other paths if they deem what you don't deem ill/wrong as wrong/ill. This puts at equal plane of condemnation.

 

[The Hammer]

Harms certainly to come from all wrong paths in my view. But with your viewpoint, you are defining it with what you deem wrong/ill, yet condemn other paths if they deem what you don't deem ill/wrong as wrong/ill. This puts at equal plane of condemnation.

Ok

 

[Link]

Ok

Somethings are paradoxical:

"All truths are relative!" , what about that one, why is it the only non-relative truth?

"I hate judgment on people", what about judging judgment. So if you were to map all judgments - and then condemn all of those - you would be mathematically doing as much judgment as them. For each judgment, you judge.

In taking unbalanced approaches, often, these paradoxes occur, just by the nature of the lopsidedness.

 

[The Hammer]

Somethings are paradoxical:

"All truths are relative!" , what about that one, why is it the only non-relative truth?

"I hate judgment on people", what about judging judgment. So if you were to map all judgments - and then condemn all of those - you would be mathematically doing as much judgment as them. For each judgment, you judge.

In taking unbalanced approaches, often, these paradoxes occur, just by the nature of the lopsidedness.

Ok

 

[FredVB]

Harms certainly to come from all wrong paths in my view. But with your viewpoint, you are defining it with what you deem wrong/ill, yet condemn other paths if they deem what you don't deem ill/wrong as wrong/ill. This puts at equal plane of condemnation.

There is wrong that is being done, and it is all with harm. But there is not agreement on what is wrong, that harm comes from. God still knows what is wrong. But people do not all know, you even would not know all that is wrong. If you are shown harm from some things that you would not see as wrong you would just say you do not see harm in those things. People are all like that. So it happens that we do need God to tell us things.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So it happens that we do need God to tell us things.

And how does that happen? Most people have one of two answers, both of which are insufficient. The first is that they know someone who is a prophet who speaks for God. But how can they verify that? There are a gazillion wannabe prophets who all say different things. The other is similar, that some prophet wrote a sacred text. Again, the pertinent question would be how to know which religious text is the "right one" since they all contradict each other.

 

[The Hammer]

And how does that happen? Most people have one of two answers, both of which are insufficient. The first is that they know someone who is a prophet who speaks for God..... The other is similar, that some prophet wrote a sacred text.....

Seems there is a third option here.

Why not go to the Source yourself instead of relying on intermediaries such as prophets or books?