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  1. Underhill

    Trump supporters getting a taste of that "maga" magic.

    I agree at least in part. The problem is that there are so many factors involved in the equation. I mean NAFTA gets a lot of press, but there are other factors at work. The destruction of unions is a big part of decreasing wages. But I think the continued mechanization of the workforce...
  2. Underhill

    Trump to Withdraw from Iran Nuclear Deal

    And it never would have as republicans made it clear they wouldn't pass anything Obama sent them. Good, bad or indifferent. It was their MO for the last 6 years he was in the white house. None of this changes the fact that Trump screwed the pooch on this one.
  3. Underhill

    Did Hillary Clinton have any Chance at Winning?

    I agree with you. Carter was nowhere near this level of incompetence. In fact, I think Carter is one of the most underrated presidents in recent history. Compared to Trump he is looking pretty dang good right now.
  4. Underhill

    Did Hillary Clinton have any Chance at Winning?

    I wasn't referring to Gore as being 'this bad'. I was referring to Trump... Phrased that poorly.
  5. Underhill

    Did Hillary Clinton have any Chance at Winning?

    The problem with Gore wasn't most news outlets, it was politicians and their talking points. And it is awfully hard to be non objective when the candidate is this bad.
  6. Underhill

    Did Hillary Clinton have any Chance at Winning?

    It's a bad idea, no doubt about it. But I would have to see how it was reported. If someone is paraphrasing that is one thing, especially if it's accurate to the spirit of his statement. If they are claiming it as a direct quote, it's another and unquestionably dishonest.
  7. Underhill

    Did Hillary Clinton have any Chance at Winning?

    Okay, but here is the thing. If a candidate is a liar and a cheat who constantly shows himself to be racist, bigoted and just a despicable person.... isn't it dishonest reporting to treat him as anything but a scumbag?
  8. Underhill

    Did Hillary Clinton have any Chance at Winning?

    Sure, I could see that. If you ignore the fact that Trump is a braggart who should not have made it through the first week of primaries with half the stuff he did on a regular basis. So the media was always posting garbage about him, but it was generally accurate reporting. Why would...
  9. Underhill

    Did Hillary Clinton have any Chance at Winning?

    Valid point, although she was hurt by her actions as much as Trump was helped by his. The difference is that it seems every time Trump did something career ending for any other politician, the media ate it up. Meanwhile Hillary was questioned about her fitness to run because she contracted a...
  10. Underhill

    Did Hillary Clinton have any Chance at Winning?

    Yep, because clearly they were off base on that one. I'm not sure what that has to do with the campaign... Of course both sides were trying to win. But the two are night and day. One is spouting lock her up over unproven allegations while the other failed to bring up his numerous...
  11. Underhill

    Did Hillary Clinton have any Chance at Winning?

    I think it's pretty obvious she could have won. As close as it was a rain storm in the south could have cost Trump the election. But there are a number of things she should have done differently. Call Trump out on his lies is the big one that comes to mind. Call it dirty if you want to...
  12. Underhill

    Trump to Withdraw from Iran Nuclear Deal

    Ratification may make more political sense, as it means more people had to approve it. But nobody would ever create a treaty with Iran without provisions for quick and easy removal from the treaty. There are too many ways Iran could **** us off for it to be any other way. Theoretically...
  13. Underhill

    Ex-Homosexuals Will March At DC' Freedom Rally

    Depends on what you want to be free from. Free from government interference, free from societal stigmas or freedom from irrational fears brought on by religious indoctrination... just to name a few. Marching on Washington implies they want something from the government. What is that...
  14. Underhill

    Only Three States Approved Same Sex Marriage By "Popular Vote"

    I understand your dismay. I remember having this same discussion 10 or 12 years ago and the number of people arguing for gay marriage was much smaller (as a percentage). It must be frustrating to see such a swing happen so quickly. But get over it. Because it isn't going to change...
  15. Underhill

    Ex-Homosexuals Will March At DC' Freedom Rally

    The obvious reason is because these protestors are implying that freedom only comes when one drops the 'yoke' of the LGBT lifestyle. Which is obnoxious and absurd. But yes, these people have the freedom to repress their natural urges just as a priest or monk can. But it is the freedom to...
  16. Underhill

    Trump to Withdraw from Iran Nuclear Deal

    It would be relevant if it impacted my position. It really didn't. Trump could get out of the deal even if a congressional treaty was in place.
  17. Underhill

    Ex-Homosexuals Will March At DC' Freedom Rally

    Yes, all 12 of them. And they will be met by 50k angry free LGBT people...
  18. Underhill

    Trump to Withdraw from Iran Nuclear Deal

    Yes, you made an irrelevant point. Good on you.
  19. Underhill

    Only Three States Approved Same Sex Marriage By "Popular Vote"

    One thing. How many states have actually had a vote on same sex marriage? Polling now suggest that literally two states would still ban same sex marriage if it were put to a state by state vote. Public opinion of same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia Not that I care. I think...
  20. Underhill

    There's no evidence that there is a creator?

    I think the things you see as evidence are either a) things you want to interpret as evidence or b) things that we simply do not understand yet. We used to see comets as a sign from god or the gods. Now we understand them. Evidence of god is an ever moving goal post.
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