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  1. Mr Spinkles

    How to Incite a Riot

    Twighlight Hue the tragic facts suggest the President was a major cause of the insurrection against the Capitol. There were two other recent, large pro-Trump rallies in DC: one in November, and one in December. The Proud Boys were at both. But Trump wasn’t at those rallies. Source: Trump...
  2. Mr Spinkles

    Was the Occupation of the Capitol Yesterday an Act of Sedition?

    Wiki says Trump began speaking at 12pm, rioters began breaching temporary fencing outside the Capitol at 12:50pm. The fighting with police continued to escalate until they finally got into the building at 2:10pm. Given there were 30,000 people, it is conceivable some left the rally earlier and...
  3. Mr Spinkles

    How to Incite a Riot

    No, you are wrong. Ashli Babbit listened to Trump’s speech and then stormed the Capitol where she was shot. It’s all on video. See below. Trump spoke from 11:50am - 12:50pm and the rioting began at 1:10pm. That timeline is consistent with people going straight to the Capitol after...
  4. Mr Spinkles

    How to Incite a Riot

    Thanks, but I also apologize - the OP is largely excerpts from the NYT article. I provided the link but I know many people will hit a paywall so I excerpted some of the content. I should have indented or used the QUOTE feature but I was lazy and also am not very nimble using those features on...
  5. Mr Spinkles

    What Really Happened? A Coup Attempt?

    Yeah I tend to agree I wouldn’t call it a coup. Insurrection, or mob incited by the President, will do. Fantome unfortunately you are right, too. The domestic terrorists will be emboldened by 70 million Karens who create the legitimacy for violence and the myth they are patriots re-enacting...
  6. Mr Spinkles

    How to Incite a Riot

    I unhesitatingly condemned the only incitement to riot that I saw, which was an NPR interview with an author who said looting was okay. NPR apologized for the interview and was widely criticized. I also voted for Biden who clearly, repeatedly condemned rioting. Please don’t change the subject...
  7. Mr Spinkles

    civil war: American charismatics and Pentecostals

    Sad, stunning, predictable, terrifying. Some of the emotions I feel in response to this. I have close friends who are now estranged from their parents partly because of their parents’ bizarre obsession with Trump. Their email signatures now say “The Storm is Here”. I assume that is related...
  8. Mr Spinkles

    Armed protests being planned at all 50 state capitols, FBI bulletin says

    Yeah I’m reclaiming the term TDS to refer to refer to this stuff:
  9. Mr Spinkles

    Police Officer Eugene Goodman!

    ... on Eugene Goodman and what he did that day.
  10. Mr Spinkles

    Police Officer Eugene Goodman!

    You have the luxury of not needing to notice. I’ll bet the officer noticed the racial disparity between himself and the angry mob. Unlike you, and me, he didn’t have the luxury of not noticing. The article takes his perspective.
  11. Mr Spinkles

    How to Incite a Riot

    Not really. A few posters on RF have been reluctant to admit the reality of what happened and have tried to give Donald air cover, as is their custom. I personally know people who attended the rally, but not the insurrection, who believe that Antifa stormed the Capitol with guns. At least...
  12. Mr Spinkles

    Increasing Risk

    And: there are rallies being planned for the 17th at all 50 state capitols. Armed rallies. Are we to have 51 “green zones” like we had in Baghdad? For how long? Even after January 20, we can expect Trump to agitate for years and the extremists will continue to be disgruntled for years.
  13. Mr Spinkles

    How to Incite a Riot

    He told them to go to the Capitol and fight like hell. And they did. Cause, effect. No matter what was “really” going through his mind, and no matter how many band aids he tried to put on it after the fact, it is malpractice and dereliction of duty for a President to tell an angry crowd this...
  14. Mr Spinkles

    How to Incite a Riot

    Quotes and analysis of what Trump said on January 6, and why it was irresponsible even if he didn’t say “go riot”. Trump urged his supporters to ‘fight much harder’ against ‘bad people’ and ‘show strength’ at the Capitol. “Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied...
  15. Mr Spinkles

    In call, Trump demands Georgia officials 'find' votes

    Yes. Have you seen the videos where an angry mob in helmets and body armor use bear mace on police and engage in a shield-wall re-enactment of the movie “300” in the hallways of the Capitol? You’re right, some of it was peaceful. Some of it was a riot. Trump didn’t say the words “go riot” but...
  16. Mr Spinkles

    ADL calls for Trump's removal

    Not to derail the thread, but there have been no new stupid wars for seventeen years. There has been a peaceful transfer of power from one President to another for 223 years, or 160 years if you include the outbreak of the Civil War after Lincoln was inaugurated. Until now. This is a...
  17. Mr Spinkles

    Increasing Risk

    Well said. I hope law enforcement is prepared and does not escalate, either. That may work for DC for some period of time. But the rally on the 17th is planned in all 50 state capitols and many of them have lax gun possession laws. A bad actor who wants to perpetrate violence does not need to...
  18. Mr Spinkles

    Increasing Risk

    That’s right, but that cuts both ways. For many, this means they go home. For others, this means that next time they will be better armed. And then it really won’t be a joke. I hear what you are saying exchemist, and I don’t disagree. But there are two sides to this coin, which in some ways...
  19. Mr Spinkles

    Was the Occupation of the Capitol Yesterday an Act of Sedition?

    You summarized it nicely but here are some additional moments when he incited the crowd to contemplate more than just peaceful protest. Courtesy of the NYT: Trump urged his supporters to ‘fight much harder’ against ‘bad people’ and ‘show strength’ at the Capitol. “Republicans are constantly...
  20. Mr Spinkles

    Increasing Risk

    The fact that we are even having this conversation means things have gone much too far. The personal loyalties of senior military like Mark Milley ... that’s the backup parachute. I have many, many friends in Midwestern states who are increasingly estranged from Trump supporter parents, or...
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