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    LDS Christian challenge of historic Biblical Christians

    It's in Same Faith Debates.
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    Those who have been saved by God's grace are created in Christ Jesus unto good works, not in order to be saved, but to glorify God. They are created in Christ Jesus because every sinner who receives the new birth is a new creation; the old man is dead. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    I made no claim that the LDS Jesus is insufficient. I said that Moses 6:57 "sounds as if Christ's atonement doesn't quite do it." IOW, it sounds as if His atonement is insufficient. And I also took into account the other teachings of the LDS church about the necessity of obedience and the...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    Are the four asterisks a substitute for an unacceptable word from a Latter-day Saint's mouth? Every saved person has been born again and no one can give himself the new birth. Those who think they can cause the new birth to happen are mistaken. What a person does is not going to give himself...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    John was only talking about the book of Revelation it seems. After all, when he wrote it, there was no book called the Bible. There are several other reasons to not accept the Book of Mormon. You'll have to do some more studying.
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    I was taking into account the LDS definition of repent and D&C 76:52 which says to be cleansed, you must keep the commandments. It sounds like LDS have to help Christ cleanse them. Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    Thank you very much for refreshing my memory! Since one of the requirements for eternal life is celestial marriage, I suppose those in the lowest heaven or degree are still separated from Heavenly Father, right? He's in the highest. Who knows who gets assigned to that middle heaven in the...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    The following sounds as if Christ's atonement doesn't quite do it. Are you saying that only faith is necessary? Wherefore teach it unto your children, that all men, everywhere, must repent, or they can in nowise inherit the kingdom of God, for no unclean thing can dwell there, or dwell in his...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    Which verses say that you don't have to comply with celestial marriage for time and eternity to be with Heavenly Father? How can someone be clean and never attain perfection? How can you be perfectly clean and still not be like Heavenly Father?
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    I don’t understand how someone would interpret "many mansions" to mean varying degrees of worthiness. And I was under the impression, correct me if I’m wrong, that no unclean person could dwell with Heavenly Father. If a person hasn’t attained perfection is he still clean? If...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    We know that, but doing proxy ordinances for those who reject temple marriage isn't going to make them worthy of eternal life. "‘No one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory’ (D&C 132:4). "No one! It matters not how righteous they may have been, how intelligent or...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    Now that's something I've been curious about. Is there a scripture that says you can be in Heavenly Father's presence without being perfectly clean from the sins of omission? So are you saying that a person can have immortality only and still be in Heavenly Father's presence, but they do not...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    They are required for eternal life in the presence of Heavenly Father according to prophets of the LDS church. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. (Pearl of Great Price) Is marriage for time and...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    Yes, we know that that is LDS teaching. Nephi testified that the Bible once "contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record" and that "after [the words] go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    And as I said:
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    Joseph Smith restored God's commandments according to Mormonism, no? So those who don't obey the laws and ordinances of the gospel will not be in Heavenly Father's presence, and the only church on earth that has the gospel is the LDS church, no? "The gospel is our Heavenly Father's plan of...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    Could you please give me the scripture reference for that? Here is what I read in your scripture: Doctrine and Covenants 29 37 And they were thrust down, and thus came the devil and his angels; 38 And, behold, there is a place prepared for them from the beginning, which place is hell.
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    We're waiting for the details. Are some of the brethren not His children? Wherefore, I beseech of you, brethren, that ye should search diligently in the light of Christ that ye may know good from evil; and if ye will lay hold upon every good thing, and condemn it not, ye certainly will be a...
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    Why Dont Christians Accept the Book of Mormon as Valid?

    This is what I've gleaned from my studies(again, correct me if I'm wrong): In the Spirit World, the gospel (LDS version which LDS claim is not their version, but the Lord’s) is presented by worthy LDS to those who were not righteous enough to make it to Paradise but were instead sent to...
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