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  1. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Yes, but everyone seeks the meaning of life and wants a life that is meaningful. Is that which everyone wants valuable and worth having?
  2. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Sorry, I did not phrase the premises correctly. It should be good to consider and question, now. :)
  3. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Glad to hear you are looking forward, albeit with a logical expectation of some good outcome rather than an emotional one. :D So these are the premises to which I'll now respond: 3. We need pleasant emotions because they define our actions, thoughts, and lives as being good and worth living...
  4. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Very good! We shall use (1a) as the definition of defines: 1a. to determine or identify the essential qualities or meaning of <whatever defines us as human> Our logical argument is then clarified as this: our minds are wired in such a way that when we have a good thought about something...
  5. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    I think I understand what you meant by that statement, now. Thank you, and good morning. :) But I'm not sure I understand premise (3): We need pleasant emotions because they define our actions, thoughts and lives as being good and worth living to us. Please tell me what definition of the word...
  6. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Thank you. I instead of saying this, We may actually be able to define other things in our lives as being good without our feelings of pleasure, but without our feelings of pleasure, then they can't be anything truly good or worth living for us. it would be less misleading to say this: We may...
  7. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Not sure I understand the difference between good and truly good. Please explain or give an example of something that is good but not truly so.
  8. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    OK, please let me know if this is a correct rendering of your logical argument: our minds are wired in such a way that when we have a good thought about something, then that sends a pleasure signal to the brain which then gives us the experience of pleasant emotions. Our minds are wired to...
  9. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

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  10. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    I know that I often like to edit my posts. Would you like to do so, or should I reply? (We can also modify your argument, later if you need to.)
  11. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Yes, my apologies. I stand corrected. When you said, As for me, I am living for a possible recovery from this anhedonia and to recover my pleasure. you did not mean you had a feeling of hope, though I suppose you had an expectation--however slight--of the possibility of a positive outcome...
  12. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    So what fork in the road should we take, Matt? The road that will help us learn if your argument is logically valid, or the road that will lead us to the truth about hope?
  13. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    As I said before: Although your premises may be fact, they do not support the conclusion that your life has no value. Would you like to consider your logical argument more carefully? If so, I'll restate it and you may clarify it and then we shall examine together if you have a logical reason to...
  14. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    If you do not want to prove you reasons for killing yourself are logical, that's OK, too. In that case all I can do is recommend that you keep talking to anyone who will listen and seems to care. I'm a firm believer in hope. I think you are, too. For you said you have hope--however small--that...
  15. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    From what I understand of robots and artificial intelligence, they feel no anger or sadness. They also do only what they have been programmed to do. Do you think you are perhaps more human than you think--just disabled? Some are blind, some are deaf. Some have no sense of smell or taste. Some...
  16. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    From what I understand, there are a good number of sociopaths finding a great deal to live for in the United States. They hold positions of power and prestige as CEOs, lawyers, physicians and the like. would they work so hard to become so successful if they truly believed life was not worth...
  17. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    I'd recommend watching the film Eva. It deals with the idea of robots becoming more human than we might think possible. Although you would find no value in it, you might find much meaning! :p But I wonder why a life full of meaning would have no value or worth. I'm not so sure it is as black...
  18. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    W Well, I'd say what matters is what is meaningful, and you and I agree that how we feel or don't feel about something has nothing to do with it being meaningful. Despite a lack of emotional pleasure, your life can still have meaning. Can't it? But then there is also hope, which I believe has...
  19. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    OK, I'll try my best to walk around in your shoes and pretend I have the same inability to feel as you have. I won't say I can't imagine what it feels like to be you, since you have no feelings. I can see the pros and cons of being unhindered by emotion, as I mentioned at the beginning of our...
  20. Spockrates

    My support for hedonism

    Yes, I think what we have is a different understanding of the word value. You're talking apples, but I'm thinking oranges. You seem to define it narrowly, as a pleasant feeling. I define it in a much broader send--as anything that brings about the most benefit for me or another. Sometimes that...
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