Abortion: The Gory Photos Are Real

[Scorn]

Up until about 150 years ago first trimester abortions in the US were legal. In fact most of the world was the same.
What changed the minds of governments 150 years ago.
How is it that a procedure as old as life became so evil?

 

[painted wolf]

here is a picture just as disturbing as any Anti-abortion one you will find.

A baby who thanks to a debilitating genetic illness will suffer and die because it is too old. Somehow letting this child suffer in agony and slowly die from infection and starvation is humane.
IF you don't like disturbing images please do not follow the link, this is Harleqin fetus.
http://www.ispub.com/ostia/index.php?xmlFilePath=journals/ijpn/vol2n1/harlequin.xml

Sometimes things go wrong, terribly wrong.

wa:do

 

[almifkhar]

johnny, you are not allah, god, yawelah, brahman, etc. so there for why do you care. this is a just one of those things that are between god and a woman. besides, we need to worry more about the unwanted children alive out there than for those who are not born yet. pro lifers never seem to consider the consquences of outlawing abortion do they.

 

[linwood]

I think that amounts to yet another reason why the best approach to reducing abortions might be a combination of contraceptive education and contraceptive availability.

Isn`t it amazing though that those who scream against abortion are also those who argue against contraception.

They don`t seem to be adopting any kids either.

Hmm...

 

[Lycan]

By that logic, Lycan, people who get in car crashes shouldn't recieve medical attention. Driving can be dangerous and they are the ones who chose to be in that car, so they get whatever they deserve.

That makes no sense, an abortion is not medical attention for a unexpected event... abortion is a "solution" to an irresponsible decision.

I am also not saying if something bad happens to you, you deserve what you get.. I am saying the decision was made to have sex "protected" or not, with the possible outcome fully known... people need to be responsible for their actions. Abortion is a "get out of jail free" card that is too often played.

 

[Green Gaia]

Abortion is a "get out of jail free" card that is too often played.

I agree 100% with you. But I still think the choice should be left up to the woman.

 

[Lycan]

But I still think the choice should be left up to the woman.

Being pregnant is not a choice, it is a consequence.

 

[Green Gaia]

Which should be left up to the woman to decide what to do about it.

 

[Jaymes]

If birth control is used, pregnancy IS an unexpected event.

 

[Lycan]

If birth control is used, pregnancy IS an unexpected event.

I understand that. I was using the terms 'unexpected event' in a specific context...
Besides, it isn't TOTALLY unexpected, since even with birth control there is still the possiblity of pregnancy.

 

[Lycan]

Which should be left up to the woman to decide what to do about it.

She had already made her decision when she chose to have sex.

 

[Green Gaia]

She had already made her decision when she chose to have sex.

That argument might work if we view sex as only for procreation of the species.

 

[Jaymes]

Then by that logic, a person who is in a car wreck should recieve no help. They knew the risks when they got in the car. Most of the time they will survive, anyway.

 

[Lycan]

That argument might work if we view sex as only for procreation of the species

Not really, I am not saying don't have protected sex, hell a woman could go have sex with the entire state of Texas for all I care, the point I am making is that she needs to be aware and ready for the possiblity that in doing so she could get pregnant and that it is her responsibility if she does.

 

[Lycan]

Jensa said -

Then by that logic, a person who is in a car wreck should recieve no help. They knew the risks when they got in the car. Most of the time they will survive, anyway.

I previously posted:

That makes no sense, an abortion is not medical attention for a unexpected event... abortion is a "solution" to an irresponsible decision.

I am also not saying if something bad happens to you, you deserve what you get.. I am saying the decision was made to have sex "protected" or not, with the possible outcome fully known... people need to be responsible for their actions. Abortion is a "get out of jail free" card that is too often played.

 

[Green Gaia]

:sarcastic And of course you only put the responisibility on the woman. Why are men never held accountable? This is my big problem with the anti-choice crowd. They put all the responsibility on the woman and then demonize her when she makes a choice they don't like.

 

[Jaymes]

Alright, I will modify the situation. Does a person who gets into a car without wearing a seatbelt deserve no help if they get in a wreck?

 

[jewscout]

As a man i say this....
I'm pro-whatever the woman wants to do...
If your a man and you have sex and the woman gets pregnant step up and take your man-pill and do the right thing...be by her side no matter what...ultimately it's her choice but that doesn't let you off to just say "ok well i have no responsibilities here!"...it takes 2 bucko!

Rachel and I have had this discussion, and though we are both pro-choice, she said personally she could never go through with it...
And so if it should come that she were to be pregnant i would stand by her...period!

and any man who can't do that is a cock-a-roach and should be drug out into the street and shot!

 

[Rex]

War photos are gory too, but I don't see anyone calling the military or those who support them, insane. If we did that, we'd be called unPatriotic. So, why is killing in war acceptable and abortion morally wrong?

I this this is the best argument. The answer is "we don't know". And probably never will.

 

[Lycan]

And of course you only put the responisibility on the woman. Why are men never held accountable? This is my big problem with the anti-choice crowd. They put all the responsibility on the woman and then demonize her when she makes a choice they don't like.

Thoughout this thread, the pro-choice group has continuously stated the it is the womans body and she has the right to choose what she does with her body... does the man have a say in if the woman should abort if she decides to and he doesn't want her to?

I have demonized no one. I tell my kids they are solely responsible for their actions and have to deal with the consequences of what they do, that is not demonization.
I have not stated once that a man should not be held responsible too. The problem though is that a man has the 'option' of changing his mind after the fact, but a woman, being physically attached cannot. That is why I feel it is the woman who needs to be most absolute about being ready for such an event should it happen. I fully feel the man should be held accountable (emotionally as well as financially) and that is the ideal situation, but unfortunately it is not the reality in a majority of cases.