All non Christians ought to be crucified....

[Ingledsva]

No, you're right, that is not the way the Gospel ought to be presented. But if you want to hear it the right way I'm glad to oblige. For the very, very short version:

Romans 3:23
John 3:16
Acts 2:42

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Those verses do NOT answer what she asked!

That doesn't sound like an invitation of love to me. Does it to you? If a guy held a gun to a woman's head and said, "I will not kill you if you marry me," would you consider that an ideal relationship? If this is God, then we are all in hell, the "saved" included.

Try again.

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[Kapalika]

Why are posts like this allowed? I mean, okay, I get killing people who don't convert is a Abrahamic tendency in many situations more so historically than current day but we still shouldn't allow it in the interfaith section. If anything this should be in the debates and even then if it isn't against the rules it's pretty darn close and so easy for the thread to cross lines.

 

[Father Heathen]

Like Gandalf did? The only difference being that the Balrog wrapped its whip around Gandalf's knees and dragged him down into the abyss. But Gandalf grabbed the Balrog's horns and rode that bad boy down like a boss.

I would emerge from Hell as FH The White.

 

[columbus]

I know what the Bible says, and I don't accept it. Nor do I want to be cared for so much that caring becomes offensive, obnoxious annoying and condescending... condescending in presuming to know what's best for me, and that I can't make my own decisions. That's why so many Christians are disliked, they don't know when to back off. They take the "Great Commission" too seriously, and to obnoxious levels. You dig? You feel me?

I also feel that growing up, and spending my life, in a world dominated by Christian homophobic bigots is punishment enough for getting a little nooky. Like almost every other gay person I know, I will always bear the scars from being around Christians.
Tom

 

[Mindmaster]

Is this the logical implication of rejecting a Christ who suffered the punishment due to us?

Presuming there was a Christ in the first place, this seems like the Bible is written by someone with a mental health crisis.

1) It's impossible to make good on the wrongs of the past no matter what you do, all you can do is improve today and tomorrow.

2) There is no value in obsessing over the past to spite the present.

3) Regardless of what happened, we weren't there and had nothing to do with it.

4) What really changed because of his sacrifice? If you can still sin now then his sacrifice didn't count for anything... If Christians feel he is omnipotent and omnipresent as they say, then what all powerful god-creature is limited by such a silly construct as time?

All of these points to me reflect that sin, Jesus, and Christ are fabrications of the human minds who are limited to history, obsessions, and guilt - not the understandings of an all-powerful and limitless god.

 

[Skwim]

Is this the logical implication of rejecting a Christ who suffered the punishment due to us?

Of Course it is.

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[lewisnotmiller]

Eh?

I do find myself wondering why you bother with half of your posts. They're either deleted or pointless.

 

[eldios]

Damn Eldios, I thought you must be a teenager but your profile says you are 8 years older than me! Do you belong to a particular denomination that teaches this stuff, or are you a troll pretending to be a 58 year old man? Serious question, because I cant take anything you say seriously.

If you don't believe that we are created as information within a simulation program, then you were not chosen to believe during this temporary portion of it. You will have to wait until you experience the death of your body before you begin hearing the voice of the AI system ( God ) that's built into the simulation.

John 5:
25: "Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
26: For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself,
27: and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man.
28: Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice.

 

[DavidFirth]

No, you're right, that is not the way the Gospel ought to be presented. But if you want to hear it the right way I'm glad to oblige. For the very, very short version:

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

I'm not going to "rationalize" anything away. But I don't see where Windwalker was complaining about what I said.

 

[The Holy Bottom Burp]

If you don't believe that we are created as information within a simulation program, then you were not chosen to believe during this temporary portion of it. You will have to wait until you experience the death of your body before you begin hearing the voice of the AI system ( God ) that's built into the simulation.

John 5:
25: "Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
26: For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son also to have life in himself,
27: and has given him authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son of man.
28: Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice.

For the second time after reading your stuff I say "whatever dude!"

 

[Desert Snake]

I've read the Bible. You are preaching but whatever.

You may have read the Bible, however you seem to have missed the inferences that you may be facing hell, for not accepting Jesus. You don't have to like the religion, but simply claiming that the beliefs are wrong, is not an argument, or excuse, really.
Again, not preaching, this is discussion

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

You may have read the Bible, however you seem to have missed the inferences that you may be facing hell, for not accepting Jesus. You don't have to like the religion, but simply claiming that the beliefs are wrong, is not an argument, or excuse, really.
Again, not preaching, this is discussion

You're practically preaching, by going on about us facing "hell". Simply claiming your beliefs as though they're fact isn't an argument or excuse either.

 

[Deidre]

You may have read the Bible, however you seem to have missed the inferences that you may be facing hell, for not accepting Jesus. You don't have to like the religion, but simply claiming that the beliefs are wrong, is not an argument, or excuse, really.
Again, not preaching, this is discussion

Are you a Christian?

 

[DavidFirth]

You're practically preaching, by going on about us facing "hell". Simply claiming your beliefs as though they're fact isn't an argument or excuse either.

Atheists do it all the time.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Atheists do it all the time.

Some do. But let's face it, they're not telling you that refusal to accept their 'facts' will lead to an eternity of pain inflicted by a being they're happy to worship regardless.
Not exactly apples and apples.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

You may have read the Bible, however you seem to have missed the inferences that you may be facing hell, for not accepting Jesus. You don't have to like the religion, but simply claiming that the beliefs are wrong, is not an argument, or excuse, really.
Again, not preaching, this is discussion

In interfaith, not a Christian area...
Might be worth thinking of ALL the religions who say they're going to send a humble non-believer to hell, or damnation, etc.

At least then people might see the obvious flaw with Pascal's Wager.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Atheists do it all the time.

Uh, no. Atheists do not do it all the time. Firstly, they don't believe in a hell to condemn people to. Secondly, their beliefs (and subsequent claims) that god doesn't exist is a response to your camp's lack of evidence, and a claim that he exists despite this.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Might be worth thinking of ALL the religions who say they're going to send a humble non-believer to hell, or damnation, etc.

Yer goin' to Hel when you die! (Me too, see you there)

 

[Kapalika]

Are you a Christian?

A small handful of members seem to change their religion often. So he might or might not say he is for a few weeks or months.

 

[LukeS]

Are you referring to punishment received during this lifetime or punishment received after this life ends?

Well the Christian often say He took the punishment due to us. So, ok I have been no angel, but I wouldn't like to be crucified - if that's what God has in mind as appropriate punishment for my lies stealing etc.

Its odd that in the Roman Church they're quite pro life, and defend even the "most serious sinners" in jail. They certainly don't believe in crucifixion for the general public.