If God exists why is he hiding?

[idav]

if god was real and not hiding, you think he would have taught his only kid how to read and write, then he could have used one of those many miracles to make the paper he wrote upon not burn like the bush that moses was talking to. Heck could have used the burning bush to make the paper out of.

Then we wouldnt have a book based on unknown authors who wrote about jesus and never knew or even seen him.

That ain't no joke. That is why god sent an angel to some dude in the middle east to rewrite the bible and then sent another angel to some dude in America to retrieve golden plates to rewrite the bible. Funny how it never seems to work out.

 

[painted wolf]

if god was real and not hiding, you think he would have taught his only kid how to read and write, then he could have used one of those many miracles to make the paper he wrote upon not burn like the bush that moses was talking to. Heck could have used the burning bush to make the paper out of.

Then we wouldnt have a book based on unknown authors who wrote about jesus and never knew or even seen him.

So the only valid god is the one in the bible then?

wa:do

 

[waitasec]

Why would He? I mean why should He care if we believe in Him or not.

you mean why would "It".

 

[atanu]

I ask, why would He not? Once He came out and was promptly crucified. Who will like repeated cucifixion?

 

[outhouse]

So the only valid god is the one in the bible then?

wa:do

who said he was valid.

I believe I might be indicating he is invalid or illiterate or both

 

[atanu]

:sorry1: No more jokes.

I repeat my question:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2522717-post78.html

 

[sojourner]

Another ad hominem?
If it didn't work before, why would it work now?

Another baseless accusation? If it didn't work before, why would it work now?

I don't have to be a counselor to point out a fallacy.

You do if the alleged fallacy involves the human psyche. Otherwise, you're just ******* in the wind.

And even if i were, what i have said wouldn't become true because of it.

No, it'd just make you "wrong."

That would be making use of an appeal to authority which is another fallacy.

Ooh! Somebody's read "Debate for Dummies." We're all flummoxed by your debating prowess!

What this comes down to is very simple, and cannot be derailed or covered up by your misdirection: You are making a baseless assumption, based upon your own bias. It means nothing. It ain't proof of your position. It does not help your argument. It's just fluff.

 

[outhouse]

:sorry1: No more jokes.

I repeat my question:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2522717-post78.html

I'll say it if it makes you happy.


he is invisible and illiterate and hiding


For me if he exist, its in the hearts and imagination of the faithful

 

[sojourner]

I have no clue what you are getting at here.

I mentioned avarice, greed and dissipation. That was countered with "disobedience." I wondered what laws exist against these things that would make engaging in them "disobedience." Back on track now?

Well he hasn't unquestionably appeared to begin with, and he certainly hasn't come back.

Perhaps not to you, but your POV doesn't constitute all of reality.

You are trying to say the opposite though, that we can hid from god. Which is, once again, impossible according to your definition of god.

Oh, we can hide, but God can certainly find us. That doesn't lie at odds with "my definition" of God, at all.

I don't have any reason, observing or experiencing anything in the universe, to think there is one. So why don't you tell me even one way in which you can see god?

Because if I open myself that much, the nasty-*** atheists will jump on that "logical weakness" like a chicken on a June bug. I don't wish to whore out my well-being for your entertainment. You'll just have to be satisfied with my assertion that I've seen God and let it go at that.

Yes, pushing away logic is definitely a good idea.

...if logic isn't called for, why not?

The main question here being, if this awesome and intelligent being exists, why he isn't more present and helpful.

The real question here is why is your attitude so skewed that you think God isn't present and helpful?

Some guy that supposedly existed 2000 years ago and performed miracles that can only be shown to have happened by an ancient book obviously written by ancient men. Miracles that have no more evidence than ones found in other holy books from other religions. And from whom came a message that was not new or particularly super transcendentally intelligent.

...and the lunar landings were staged from Area 51 in order to dupe the public...

I mistakenly did not finish the phrase in that sentence. It was supposed to read "especially children suffering and dying from terrible diseases he could easily prevent or cure."

doesn't change the illogic of your statement. Your statement was how beautiful humanity was. Obviously, if this is your observation, it's not! Now you want to blame humanity's ills on a "non-existent" God. You can't switch between "hypotheticals" at a whim. Either we're assuming God's existence for purposes of your argument, or not.

 

[sojourner]

if god was real and not hiding, you think he would have taught his only kid how to read and write, then he could have used one of those many miracles to make the paper he wrote upon not burn like the bush that moses was talking to. Heck could have used the burning bush to make the paper out of.

Then we wouldnt have a book based on unknown authors who wrote about jesus and never knew or even seen him.

Why do we need a book? Why do we need a book written by known authors who saw and knew Jesus? You'd just refute them as crazy, or lying. It wouldn't change a thing. Why does God have to operate outside the norm of human experience in order to be "real?"

 

[sojourner]

For me if he exist, its in the hearts and imagination of the faithful

As well as those of the unfaithful, and within the rest of creation.

 

[Koldo]

Another baseless accusation? If it didn't work before, why would it work now?

You should read more about ad hominem.

You do if the alleged fallacy involves the human psyche. Otherwise, you're just ******* in the wind.

What are you talking about?

No, it'd just make you "wrong."

So if i were a counselor and still had this position i would be wrong?
So what would be the point of being a counselor?
You would still dismiss what i say.

Ooh! Somebody's read "Debate for Dummies." We're all flummoxed by your debating prowess!

Ad Hominem again?

What this comes down to is very simple, and cannot be derailed or covered up by your misdirection: You are making a baseless assumption, based upon your own bias. It means nothing. It ain't proof of your position. It does not help your argument. It's just fluff.

I am merely pointing out a fatal flaw in the reasoning of some people.
This is my position.

 

[atanu]

I'll say it if it makes you happy.

he is invisible and illiterate and hiding

For me if he exist, its in the hearts and imagination of the faithful

What is meant by 'for me'? Do you exist?

 

[outhouse]

Why do we need a book? Why do we need a book written by known authors who saw and knew Jesus? You'd just refute them as crazy, or lying. It wouldn't change a thing. Why does God have to operate outside the norm of human experience in order to be "real?"

because it would be nice to prove its real instead of ancient man making up a religion and god as he has done so many many many times in the past.

Do you think I enjoyed waking up one day to realize all gods were a complete fabrication of ancient mans imagination only???

Hell no I didnt, part of me still wants the fantasy to be real. BUT you cant change history now can you?????

 

[outhouse]

What is meant by 'for me'? Do you exist?

I exist


if you imagine a pizza, does it exist so you can share it with friends????

NO

you can tell them what it looks like, how great it will taste, you can even tell them you can smell it because its a magic pizza. But your friends will never tatse it, Ever.

 

[McBell]

There's something wrong with imagination now?

Seriously?
that is best you can come up with?
Wow.

Bet you hated watching Bugs Bunny and Jonny Quest, too, because they were imaginary. And you also never played "Cowboys and Indians."

Being able to distinguish reality from fantasy is something I find to be a good thing.
Now I understand that there are people in the world who much prefer fantasy over reality.
I just happen to NOT be one of them.

 

[Blackdog22]

Read Genesis. It was we who removed ourselves so far from God.

Yeah, I have read it many, many times...

Some chick ate a magical apple that possessed her ability to know right from wrong and then God decided to curse everyone that came after her forever because he is "neato".

What is your point?

 

[Blackdog22]

is God "clearly our imagination?" I've had real experiences that *clearly* were not imagination.

See, this is why I almost refuse to even debate with you Sojourner. Quite clearly a REAL experience cannot be imaginary. Yes, me getting hit by a car could be considered real. What the hell does a real experience have to do with an invisible God?

Also, why is it that you play ignorant to the differences between leprachauns and God when discussed in the manner that this topic is addressing, but you can clearly see the differences in both when comparing their fantastical elements? As a matter of fact you understood the difference between them so much on a threat I posted a while back that you were "greatly offended" by it. I can't help but think that you are simply displaying intentional ignorance in an effort draw out the argument that you have. That argument is nothing.

 

[outhouse]

There's something wrong with imagination now?
Bet you hated watching Bugs Bunny and Jonny Quest, too, because they were imaginary. And you also never played "Cowboys and Indians."

im sure he never based his life, belief and faith around it. Then argued about it in a forum

 

[outhouse]

As well as those of the unfaithful, and within the rest of creation.

as far as I can see there is no such thing as creation, science follows that opinion as well.


I was under the understanding tha unfaithful means they dont believe