ISIS creates sex slave jail with Yezidi women

[Sees]

America launched a "war on terrorism," and invaded Iraq. It dealt a blow to Al Qaeda, it removed Saddam from power and executed him, and now groups like Boko Haram and ISIS have risen to power. So our options are go in an eliminate ISIS, and then eliminate their successor, and their successor's successor, and so on. Or cull the herd as needed and work on solutions that prevent such groups from causing so much destruction.

The powers that be know this The obvious goals and accomplishments are just pulling a rabbit out of the hat for the masses....meanwhile complex, multi-layered goals and accomplishments (and #%3)-ups) go on in the background. World is too small and technology too advanced to let certain things keep going while we stay hands off and say let them deal with their issues.

It's a wise bet that puppet regimes will be a thing of the past and there is going to be tons more killing while we set up shop. Right or wrong, the rest of the world doesn't think certain regions and populations can govern themselves. Big corps want this to happen sooner or later so we let some of the more rotten eggs out of detention just a wee bit ago.

Vacation homes in Baghdad coming soon...bets?

 

[LuisDantas]

Hmmm. How about launching a "war on ignorance"? How about if we start showering the population with education and food? Notice how the Taliban (for example), react violently to the idea of education for girls. This is the peaceful superpower - give the kids a decent education. This will naturally undermine totalitarian ideologies.

THIS I can support.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Hmmm. How about launching a "war on ignorance"? How about if we start showering the population with education and food? Notice how the Taliban (for example), react violently to the idea of education for girls. This is the peaceful superpower - give the kids a decent education. This will naturally undermine totalitarian ideologies.

That is a wonderful idea. But dear god don't let the American government declare a war on it, or ignorance will spread like wild fire and become harder to do away with, much like drugs, poverty, terrorism, and other "wars" the American government has launched. If America declares a global war on ignorance, run to the hills and take your science books with you.

 

[dawny0826]

That may well be. But I will be darned if I will believe that just because it makes things simpler. I will need evidence. Lots of it and very convincing. And I shall test it.

Have fun!

 

[Flankerl]

but we also know the air and ground forces don't work.

We actually dont know that because the air strikes have been rare and no proper ground force has engaged them yet.

 

[Avi1001]

We actually dont know that because the air strikes have been rare and no proper ground force has engaged them yet.

So you want to repeat the same mistake...over and over again...to see if you get a different result.

Do you know Einstein's definition of insanity ?

 

[icehorse]

I didn't see anyone say education and food are sufficient to solve the problem.....but we also know the air and ground forces don't work.

I said it

(But I acknowledge it's a slower path)

 

[Flankerl]

So you want to repeat the same mistake...over and over again...to see if you get a different result.

Do you know Einstein's definition of insanity ?

Repeat? There is nothing to be repeated as IS has yet to be confronted by a proper military force.

You could of course ask them to stop. Perhaps in person. You could take some other RF members with you to make a stronger point.

 

[Sees]

How many decades or centuries would it take to allow education to sufficiently make a difference? How many people should be vulnerable or victimized on the way? The further you are from situations and realities involved, the more leeway you are willing to give. What about if it's your family, town, state?

Time for some movies and video games...our chance of being raped soon after a loved one is beheaded is so low and life is peachy

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Repeat? There is nothing to be repeated as IS has yet to be confronted by a proper military force.

You could of course ask them to stop. Perhaps in person. You could take some other RF members with you to make a stronger point.

Maybe ISIS hasn't, but those groups have been engaged by military forces for so long that military forces wielding swords and shields, who rode in on horses, confronted them. We replaced swords and shields with guns, got rid of the horse and started using tanks, and we're still using military forces hoping that by killing them off we can go back home and not worry about them. But another group emerges, we go back in and kill them, and go back home. But another group emerges, we go back in and kill them, and go back home. But another group emerges, we go back in and kill them, and go back home.
Why shouldn't we work on trying to stop them before they start rather than going in, killing them, going home, only to go back, yet again, because another group emerges?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How many decades or centuries would it take to allow education to sufficiently make a difference? How many people should be vulnerable or victimized on the way? The further you are from situations and realities involved, the more leeway you are willing to give. What about if it's your family, town, state?

Time for some movies and video games...our chance of being raped soon after a loved one is beheaded is so low and life is peachy

There simply is no quick fix, especially regarding leaders who have laid down strategies for decades to comes. I would wager a workable plan is one that will take time, and the general who starts it will not be the general who finishes it.

 

[Avi1001]

This is all true...we have never taken the time to do it right.....so we need to take the time to do it again...and again...and again...

And don't give them food, medicine and education....instead work with them (the people of the Middle East) to create food, medicine and education.

How many decades or centuries would it take to allow education to sufficiently make a difference? How many people should be vulnerable or victimized on the way? The further you are from situations and realities involved, the more leeway you are willing to give. What about if it's your family, town, state?

Time for some movies and video games...our chance of being raped soon after a loved one is beheaded is so low and life is peachy

 

[Sees]

There simply is no quick fix, especially regarding leaders who have laid down strategies for decades to comes. I would wager a workable plan is one that will take time, and the general who starts it will not be the general who finishes it.

Saudi intel and other sources state that IS will likely soon start performing certain actions/operations in the UK, then other parts of the West. Things like in the OP are likely to happen...already do happen truth be told.

The closer stuff gets, attitudes will change. There are certain inevitable clashes that won't respect time for education. Not that there hasn't been plenty of time. The ideologies and populations spawning this crap are ancient. Hope for peace, prepare for ___.

 

[Sees]

This is all true...we have never taken the time to do it right.....so we need to take the time to do it again...and again...and again...

And don't give them food, medicine and education....instead work with them (the people of the Middle East) to create food, medicine and education.

Clock is ticking fast brother. Some state/entity/groups in that region needs to seriously hurry stuff up. In the U.S., certain emergency organizations have already started extra stockpiling in the past couple weeks for certain U.S. regions with certain demographics. Imagine it.

Those with particularly excessive amounts of political correctness and liberalism may be in for extreme shock - has to be a balance of idealism and realism. Some of WWII is likely to repeat itself soon. More action and actual decision-making that was blocked or delayed by hand-sitting, heads in the sand, thumbs up the ___....could have been useful.

Future is never completely set though. We should all eat some good food today if able and be happy/thankful if we live in one of the better regions of the world.

 

[xkatz]

And don't give them food, medicine and education....instead work with them (the people of the Middle East) to create food, medicine and education.

I agree with generally what you're saying, but I have some other/additional thoughts as well...

1) Education is DEFINITELY needed. But it will take long to implement and even longer to see results. So in that sense a short term solution is needed as a supplement.
2) Speech needs to be better monitored by govts, especially media channels which air fiery Wahabbi and Shiite preachers who condone sectarian violence, which in part has fanned the flames in Iraq and Syria (and the Arab world in general).
3) The bettering of people's lives is important, but handing out aid is only a bandage and won't work long term. N Korea and most of sub-Saharan Africa are good examples of this. What's needed is for ME govts to implement economic reforms IMO.

 

[Avi1001]

Clock always ticks at the same rate...it feels fast or slow depending on the crisis.

Why can't we get some cooperation from our moderate ME allies....Egypt and Turkey ? What kind of friends are these...are they ever there when we need them ?

I have no doubt you are right...planning is going on for an "emergency".....this, even though Obama promised us he would do it the right way......there is always lots of pressure to do it the "usual" way.

Clock is ticking fast brother. Some state/entity/groups in that region needs to seriously hurry stuff up. In the U.S., certain emergency organizations have already started extra stockpiling in the past couple weeks for certain U.S. regions with certain demographics. Imagine it.

Those with particularly excessive amounts of political correctness and liberalism may be in for extreme shock - has to be a balance of idealism and realism. Some of WWII is likely to repeat itself soon. More action and actual decision-making that was blocked or delayed by hand-sitting, heads in the sand, thumbs up the ___....could have been useful.

Future is never completely set though. We should all eat some good food today if able and be happy/thankful if we live in one of the better regions of the world.

 

[icehorse]

Getting ME governments involved is a good point. Why they are not involved is quite mysterious to me?

If we assume that the leaders of countries like SA and Iran and Jordan are intelligent, their endgames are sure hard to figure out...

 

[Avi1001]

Getting ME governments involved is a good point. Why they are not involved is quite mysterious to me?

If we assume that the leaders of countries like SA and Iran and Jordan are intelligent, their endgames are sure hard to figure out...

Yes, our other "moderate ME friends"...the Saudi's, Jordan...Iran eek: ?, I thought they were our biggest problem). Where are these people ?

 

[Sees]

Yes, our other "moderate ME friends"...the Saudi's, Jordan...Iran eek: ?). Where are these people ?

I think they are only sharing some information and playing the homeland defense cards like most others...in spite of the fact that their next door neighbors are out of control. Everybody waits for sirens or heavenly trumpets.

And only some of our friends are really our friends. Some sympathize and support the "bad-guys" in a two-face fashion. The royals and power families have been slowly waking up to the fact that everybody is fair game to these psychos so this part is changing...but too slow.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Clock always ticks at the same rate...it feels fast or slow depending on the crisis.

Why can't we get some cooperation from our moderate ME allies....Egypt and Turkey ? What kind of friends are these...are they ever there when we need them ?

I have no doubt you are right...planning is going on for an "emergency".....this, even though Obama promised us he would do it the right way......there is always lots of pressure to do it the "usual" way.

This is very unfortunate, because doing it the "usual" way will result in us having this same discussion. Of course it won't be over ISIS, but the next lunatic group, and some of those in the discussion will have left, and some new ones will join, but it will most definitely be a case of SSDD. I am beginning to think some here are equating calls for doing things differently with inaction. Action must be taken, but we cannot keep ignoring the battles that are not fought with bullets if we can hope for a different outcome.