I just thought there is some kind of distinction between astrology and magic. Honestly, I don't know more than what is contained in the links I posted.
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Man sentenced to death for sorcery.
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Mr Spinkles
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If it can't be verified, then you don't really know for sure what you are observing. The students in the following video thought they read a very accurate description of themselves from an astrologer. They were only able to realize the truth by putting their observations in the context of a clever experiment, with hilarious results ....
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YouTube - James Randi on Astrology
Fair enough, and I'm glad we're on the same page that there is a lot of fraud, but also a lot of people accidentally fooling themselves, out there. Now what about this: if you're going to convict someone of casting an evil spell or something, you have to prove they actually did it, it wasn't just fraud or imagination, and your proof should meet rigorous, scientific standards of evidence (just like proving any other crime). Do you agree with me there, as well?not4me said:
.lava
Veteran Member
astrology is not sorcery and by sorcery i don't mean ordinary people who only think they are doing magic. sorcery is a real thing and people who's expert on that stuff would not write on forums and make freinds. they are busy outside making money and they are rich people in general. astrology on the other hand is originally part of science. in it's original version which is taught to human by a Prophet is study of planets, their movements...etc. usage of astrology today is nothing but a circus show. there are people who would not leave their home before they read what their newspaper say about their signs. that's just a side effect of corruption. damage is personal. if a person acts upon what these signs say, then he is wasting his time. because we have free wills and even though some part of reality is about destiny but it is not depend on planets and stars and personality and future of a human being can not be limited or designed by universe because universe is not God or a desicion maker for us. this is why usage of astrology this way is not welcomed very much
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.lava
Veteran Member
there is my friend. once upon a time people used certain knowledge and they even built pyramids according to movements of planets and sun. but today, there is only one side of it used by people and that would be astrology. it is not sorcery but it is not a useful science either. it just gives people silly ideas such as "when will you meet love of your life?" "how's you day going to be like today?"...etc as if our lives were depend on movements of objects in the sky, we have no free wills or certain destinies that's given by God. some people take this astrological signs very seriously and their daily horoscopes is like their guide in life
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Especially he is not safe in an Islamic state.
The west has outgrown such "Salem type" primative witch hunts.
No, I don't think they do have that right.
IMO, a religious community only has the right to impose rules and codes of behaviour as long as it's voluntary... i.e. as long as people are free to leave if they disagree with them. A person is not necessarily free to leave their country, because they cannot leave unless they can find another country that will take them. Therefore, those rules and codes of behaviour cannot be assumed to be voluntarily accepted by all people living under them.
A society has the right to pass laws for the protection and benefit of its people, but laws against "sorcery" do not fall into that category.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
what is this modern world that you speak of?
sorcery, especially "predicting the future and giving people advice" is punishable with death in islam and if this man was a muslim he would know that by doing such a thing he is infact making himself equal to Allah (swt). Allah has no partners.
threads like this one and comments like yours are very telling just how modern you "modern people" are. i thought modern people were against ignorance, yet here we are.
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Gharib
I want Khilafah back
it is ironic how he was giving futuristic advice to his audience and failed to give advice to himself not to engage in sorcery and not to make Umrah.
what a pathetic idiot.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
no they do that to innocent people by torturing them with waterboarding.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
islam forbids sorcery. why does your country not make the home of a criminal his safe haven? it is despicble that a criminal isn't safe in his own home.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
not at all, i'd go there right now if i could.
Didn´t know you considered your deity to be that weak.
"Modern people" tend to be against it, yes, which also means they tend to realize what he did was not a matter of actual magic. It was a trick that only appear as magic before you know how it is done.
Besides, even if magic exists it does not justify the death penalty to use it.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
yes, lets all forget about all the americans facing capital punishment by their own government.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
nice statement kerr.
so your government is weak by punishing the wrong doers? or your parents are weak if someone wanted to hurt you and they instead knock the crap out of him. thats weak right?
if modern people are against ignorance then why is every non-muslim in this thread against that mans captrue when islam openly and clearly condemns sorcery? weren't you guys sort of mean to read the islamic perspective on sorcery and then comment?
right he was lying about actually seeing the future. islam discourages lying and idle talk that has nothing to do with anything. his lying could some how by chance worked out for someone and there goes a believer becoming a disbeliever by believeing him. which infact we are back to what i said, he is making himself equal to Allah most high.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
you don't even know the role of the religious police. tell me what things to the religious police prohibit? what are their duties?
he does fit into the particular belief structure thats why he went to Umrah. it's either islam or sorcery, you can't hold to watermelons with one hand.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I have watched Legend of the seeker but only the first half hour because it was on past my bedtime but I pull it up on the internet sometimes. I have one of Terry Goodkind's books but I don't enjoy him as much RObert Jordan with his Wheel of Time series.
A real sorcerer would form a gateway out of prison and still be laughing back in Lebanon.
You would think if he were smart enough to be a sorcerer, he would be smart enough not to be a Muslim.
I am against the death penalty no matter if it is the islamic perspective or not.
So you think that someone deserves the death penalty if they make someone disbelieve or make themselves "equal" to the deity you happen to believe in? And how can you say that your deity is that high if you can make yourself equal to him?
.lava
Veteran Member
people are weak, not God
this is why there is a market out there and people pay lots of money to find out about their future.