Noah's Ark

[Tomef]

Apparently not. Egyptian history begins “before” the alleged flood occurred. Which is amazing as the bible clearly states that Noah's grandson Mizraim founded Egypt. Egyptian records continue uninterrupted through the time of the supposedly world-wide deluge, and no record of it appears in Egypt at the time, despite the fact that Egyptians kept meticulous records of almost everything, especially the regular Nile floods which were the basis for their agriculture.

The Sumerians founded the city of Eridu 7400 years ago and kept uninterrupted records of its history since then. No mention of a great flood other than the occasion recording of a few heavy monsoon seasons

Nothing at all from China.

you would thing SOMEONE would have noticed

The Sumerians did have a flood story, though, which the narrative from Genesis seems to be based on. Gilgamesh seeks out the Noah character (Utnapishtim/Ziusudra), who was warned by one of the gods, via a talking fence, of the impending flood and built a huge coracle he rode out the flood with, along with a lot of animals. The gods then made him immortal, which is what Gilgamesh was interested in.

 

[Valjean]

Seems you don't believe in God. Anyway, people die. From various causes.

Huh?
Does this address the reality of the global flood?

 

[Valjean]

Also, just want to say that floods shift layers of soil or ground. Thus muddying up, so to speak, whatever debris or objects shift along with the flow.

Exactly, and the patterns are well known to geologists. Had there been a global flood, it would have left abundant evidence, There is none.

 

[shunyadragon]

When flooding happens throughout the world now there usually are local news reports depending on the severity of the flooding. But however the flood account of Noah came about, apparently there have been accounts of a really big flood way back then.

Actually no. At different times in ancient history local floods have been documented as having a local source as occurring in the past. For example: (2) Catastrophic flood of the Yellow River in ancient China, accurately dated and described in ancient records and confirmed by geologic evidence. () Tsunami floods in Japan and the West Coast of North America specifically described as such in written and oral traditions. (3) Catastrophic floods of river valleys such as the Tigris Euphrates and Ganges of India. There are also local and regional catastrophic floods associated with the Ice Age more ancient with no human records, such as the Scab Lands in Western US and the Mississippi River Valley.

No evidence of a flood related to the Genesis account except for the ancient Sumerian account of the Tigris Euphrates River flood.

This is evolved and created mythology and history found in the history of all ancient cultures which began as oral traditions and later written records The Pentateuch is an example of this compiled after 600 BCE.

 

[YoursTrue]

Actually no. At different times in ancient history local floods have been documented as having a local source as occurring in the past. For example: (2) Catastrophic flood of the Yellow River in ancient China, accurately dated and described in ancient records and confirmed by geologic evidence. () Tsunami floods in Japan and the West Coast of North America specifically described as such in written and oral traditions. (3) Catastrophic floods of river valleys such as the Tigris Euphrates and Ganges of India. There are also local and regional catastrophic floods associated with the Ice Age more ancient with no human records, such as the Scab Lands in Western US and the Mississippi River Valley.

No evidence of a flood related to the Genesis account except for the ancient Sumerian account of the Tigris Euphrates River flood.

This is evolved and created mythology and history found in the history of all ancient cultures which began as oral traditions and later written records The Pentateuch is an example of this compiled after 600 BCE.

The inscription of Ashurbanipal's time speaks of a big flood. Not bearing up its accuracy, of course, because there are oddities mentioned, yet there was a real big flood spoken of.

 

[YoursTrue]

Exactly, and the patterns are well known to geologists. Had there been a global flood, it would have left abundant evidence, There is none.

There are cities that have been but are now submerged under water. 7 real cities that are completely underwater!

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are cities that have been but are now submerged under water. 7 real cities that are completely underwater!

Here is the problem when one does not understand the concept of evidence. One will bring up irrelevant facts as you have as if they prove anything when they do not help you in any way at all.

 

[YoursTrue]

Apparently not. Egyptian history begins “before” the alleged flood occurred. Which is amazing as the bible clearly states that Noah's grandson Mizraim founded Egypt. Egyptian records continue uninterrupted through the time of the supposedly world-wide deluge, and no record of it appears in Egypt at the time, despite the fact that Egyptians kept meticulous records of almost everything, especially the regular Nile floods which were the basis for their agriculture.

The Sumerians founded the city of Eridu 7400 years ago and kept uninterrupted records of its history since then. No mention of a great flood other than the occasion recording of a few heavy monsoon seasons

Nothing at all from China.

you would thing SOMEONE would have noticed

According to the account, only Noah and his close family members survived.

 

[Subduction Zone]

According to the account, only Noah and his close family members survived.

Yes, and African cheetahs tell us how we know that never happened.

 

[christos]

We have to start right
In that Noah is ACTUALLY Utnipishtim and his wife was Atrihasa and was most probably an entirely mythical narrative written by the Sumerians

Although…
… if you want to explore potential origins for a flood story, passed down through generations, then I suggest you study the Younger Dryas Period, or the YDP impact

This impact IN HUMAN HISTORY, 12,000BC caused a change in global climate, resulting in accelerated ice formation

In around 10,000BC this ice melt fairly abruptly, a few generations Infact and the oceans rose by some 300 feet

This led to the formation of inland lakes, flooded coasts, flooding of the Bearing Strait, a complete change to coast lines GLOBALLY

IF, this story was passed down through time, of how early humans saw the “ocean swallow up the lands” perhaps this may be the origin of this myth…

OR

It may be a story inspired by the Iraqi flood plain and it’s regular flooding

 

[shunyadragon]

The inscription of Ashurbanipal's time speaks of a big flood. Not bearing up its accuracy, of course, because there are oddities mentioned, yet there was a real big flood spoken of.

It was specifically a flood pf the Tygris and Eophrates Valley and the timing and extent of the flood is confirmed by geologic evidence. It was only a flood of the river valley and not the upland. The major cities of the region remained continuously occupied.

 

[Audie]

We have to start right
In that Noah is ACTUALLY Utnipishtim and his wife was Atrihasa and was most probably an entirely mythical narrative written by the Sumerians

Although…
… if you want to explore potential origins for a flood story, passed down through generations, then I suggest you study the Younger Dryas Period, or the YDP impact

This impact IN HUMAN HISTORY, 12,000BC caused a change in global climate, resulting in accelerated ice formation

In around 10,000BC this ice melt fairly abruptly, a few generations Infact and the oceans rose by some 300 feet

This led to the formation of inland lakes,9 flooded coasts, flooding of the Bearing Strait, a complete change to coast lines GLOBALLY

IF, this story was passed down through time, of how early humans saw the “ocean swallow up the lands” perhaps this may be the origin of this myth…

OR

It may be a story inspired by the Iraqi flood plain and it’s regular flooding

Give us a link for "300 ft in a few generations"

 

[Tomef]

Give us a link for "300 ft in a few generations"

People had smaller feet back then.

 

[Audie]

People had smaller feet back then.

That's fully as true as the claim for which
no link exists.

 

[Audie]

Exactly, and the patterns are well known to geologists. Had there been a global flood, it would have left abundant evidence, There is none.

Floods don't "shift layers".

 

[christos]

Floods don't "shift layers".

Ok some links…

And it’s estimated to have been a 400ft increase in global ocean depth not 300ft, my bad and the changes occurred in some 100 years

Younger Dryas | Definition, Causes, & Termination

Younger Dryas, cool period between roughly 12,900 and 11,600 years ago that disrupted the prevailing warming trend in the Northern Hemisphere at the end of the Pleistocene. During this period, parts of Europe and North America returned to ice age conditions; other parts of the Northern...

www.britannica.com

The Younger Dryas Glacial Map - AntarcticGlaciers.org

The Younger Dryas Glacial Map is an interactive map for all the glacial landforms dating to the Younger Dryas (Loch Lomond Stadial) glaciation of Britain

www.antarcticglaciers.org

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-11/3%20The%20Younger%20Dryas%20-FINAL%20NOV%20%281%29.pdf

Discover How The Younger Dryas Flood Shaped Prehistoric Earth

The idea of a biblical flood was dismissed by scientists as religious nonsense. One scientist, however, set out to prove that the evidence for the Younger Dryas Flood explained how the North American Ice Sheet melted so suddenly at the end of the last ice age. To date, no other theory can...

humanoriginproject.com

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0800560105

The Younger Dryas impact event in focus - Updated | The World of Animals

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theworldofanimals.proboards.com

Huge crater discovered in Greenland from impact that rocked Northern Hemisphere

A survey of ice in Greenland has uncovered evidence suggesting a kilometer-wide iron asteroid slammed into that island, perhaps as recently as 12,000 years ago during the end of the Pleistocene. The resulting 19-mile-wide impact crater has remained hidden under a half-mile-thick ice sheet until...

phys.org

 

[christos]

It’s fairly common knowledge that a GLOBAL natural event occurred over a fairly short period of time

That MAY have been the inspiration for stories passed down

You can find huge amounts of evidence online


I have given you the temperature data
The geology, the YDP Layer
The impact site, the crater, the size of the impactor
The rough year it occurred
The effects it had
The reason why our oceans are how they are today
The carvings depicting said impact
The impact on land masses

There’s just about everything generalised in those few links, if you read them in full

 

[Link]

It was a local flood.

 

[christos]

It was a local flood.

A local flood that happened worldwide…

Hmmmm

So the ice caps melted
The oceans rose 400ft and only some localised area flooded…

That’s just disingenuous to avoid the possible link between a natural event and the origin of the Sumerian myth

 

[Link]

A local flood that happened worldwide…

Hmmmm

So the ice caps melted
The oceans rose 400ft and only some localised area flooded…

That’s just disingenuous to avoid the possible link between a natural event and the origin of the Sumerian myth

I can only speak what I know of. Nuh (a) was sent to his people and they perished. It doesn't say he was sent to the whole world but it's possible the world was localized in Africa and not spread at this point. The other places could've faced floods of other times, when other Messengers were sent to those places.