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Swift endorsing Harris...

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Some additional useful commentary by relevant experts on the impact of celebrity endorsements in politics:


Dr. Richard Longoria said:
But overall, research shows that celebrity political endorsements don’t matter enough to determine an election’s results.

If celebrity endorsements don’t shift an election, then why do political campaigns seek them out?

The answer is that they still do matter and for many different reasons. Celebrities can easily get media attention, act as campaign surrogates, expand the voter base and make campaign contributions. All these things can help a candidate win.
 

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
secondhand embarrassment.
Here's a word you might not know but might like:

Fremdscham (German) - "shame felt for actions done by someone else; vicarious embarrassment, secondhand embarrassment."
It pretty much leaves a guarantee that life for people like us who are not very rich wont change or improve for the better if Harris wins the presidency.
Agreed. All that anyone can do for you is provide you opportunity, but you have to make good choices to avail yourself of that, and those choices need to be made relatively early in life.

Harris wants to expand child tax credits, which probably means nothing to you at age 59.

If you're childless and still working, her proposal to expand the earned income tax credit for childless households would benefit you, but probably not significantly.

If you've never bought a home, her $25,000 proposed assistance in doing that might impact your life. But as you can see, most of these proposals target younger families and especially those with children - not your demographic or mine.

Little that Harris could do would make your life better. Even if Harris got inflation and gas prices down to zero, the average American life wouldn't change appreciably. Her vision is humanistic. It's about enabling people, especially younger families, but they have to make good choices early in life regarding education, spending versus saving, and raising children. For the retired or those close to retirement, the die is already cast.

And it's not just the late middle aged or older demographic whose futures are already largely determined. Many younger people are already on life arcs that are limited by choices already made. Harris can't help them much either.

And don't be distracted by the immigrant boogieman hype. Immigrants have very little negative impact on most lives but exploiting them does help keep prices down.

The best any president can do for most such people is to keep their lives at the status quo. Changes in minimum wage or collective bargaining benefit some citizens, but not most, and once again, that's the working class, and it doesn't make their lives easy, just a little better. Realistically speaking, the most anybody can hope for from government are relatively safe streets and a boost getting started in life. The rest is up to you. Your vote should take that into account.

On the other side of the ledger, Trump can significantly degrade your life whatever stage of it you're in. His proposed tariffs will mean that you won't be able to buy as much with any dollar.

Are you looking forward to receiving Social Security? Presently, a check has been deposited into a specified bank account every month for years since I was old enough to qualify for it, but that could change if Trump gutted the government workforce and replaced skilled workers with Trump loyalists, assuming that he doesn't find a way to cut or eliminate the program altogether.

But I expect that most of the harm Trump would do wouldn't directly affect your daily life. He'll end his trials and free thousands of felons, but you probably won't feel that. He'll fire competent generals and replace them with loyalists, but you won't feel that, either. He may control election outcomes, but once again, you probably wouldn't be aware of any impact that had on you. He might cut off aid to Ukraine, but your life won't feel that.

You'll just have to find out how Project 2025 impacts your life if you help elect him. I think that the best you can hope for is that it doesn't.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Here's a word you might not know but might like:

Fremdscham (German) - "shame felt for actions done by someone else; vicarious embarrassment, secondhand embarrassment."

Agreed. All that anyone can do for you is provide you opportunity, but you have to make good choices to avail yourself of that, and those choices need to be made relatively early in life.

Harris wants to expand child tax credits, which probably means nothing to you at age 59.

If you're childless and still working, her proposal to expand the earned income tax credit for childless households would benefit you, but probably not significantly.

If you've never bought a home, her $25,000 proposed assistance in doing that might impact your life. But as you can see, most of these proposals target younger families and especially those with children - not your demographic or mine.

Little that Harris could do would make your life better. Even if Harris got inflation and gas prices down to zero, the average American life wouldn't change appreciably. Her vision is humanistic. It's about enabling people, especially younger families, but they have to make good choices early in life regarding education, spending versus saving, and raising children. For the retired or those close to retirement, the die is already cast.

And it's not just the late middle aged or older demographic whose futures are already largely determined. Many younger people are already on life arcs that are limited by choices already made. Harris can't help them much either.

And don't be distracted by the immigrant boogieman hype. Immigrants have very little negative impact on most lives but exploiting them does help keep prices down.

The best any president can do for most such people is to keep their lives at the status quo. Changes in minimum wage or collective bargaining benefit some citizens, but not most, and once again, that's the working class, and it doesn't make their lives easy, just a little better. Realistically speaking, the most anybody can hope for from government are relatively safe streets and a boost getting started in life. The rest is up to you. Your vote should take that into account.

On the other side of the ledger, Trump can significantly degrade your life whatever stage of it you're in. His proposed tariffs will mean that you won't be able to buy as much with any dollar.

Are you looking forward to receiving Social Security? Presently, a check has been deposited into a specified bank account every month for years since I was old enough to qualify for it, but that could change if Trump gutted the government workforce and replaced skilled workers with Trump loyalists, assuming that he doesn't find a way to cut or eliminate the program altogether.

But I expect that most of the harm Trump would do wouldn't directly affect your daily life. He'll end his trials and free thousands of felons, but you probably won't feel that. He'll fire competent generals and replace them with loyalists, but you won't feel that, either. He may control election outcomes, but once again, you probably wouldn't be aware of any impact that had on you. He might cut off aid to Ukraine, but your life won't feel that.

You'll just have to find out how Project 2025 impacts your life if you help elect him. I think that the best you can hope for is that it doesn't.
I'll take my 'chances' with Trump but I'm not voting this year anyways.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Oh, I am voting but not for Trump. I am doing the write in thing. I don't live in a swing state so it doesn't matter.
The People's Republic of New York guarantees my little vote won't count here, but it's only for this year.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Perhaps you have little to lose by taking your chances, and little concern for those who have a great deal to lose if governed by a vengeful and untethered misogynistic xenophobe.
I doubt the Democrats are going to actually improve things givin the abysmal performance we see now , and I also don't care for the love affair for socialism that is now one of the accepted cornerstones of the modern Democrat Party. Modern Democrats are certainly not the party of my parents and grandparents.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
I doubt the Democrats are going to actually improve things givin the abysmal performance we see now , and I also don't care for the love affair for socialism that is now one of the accepted cornerstones of the modern Democrat Party. Modern Democrats are certainly not the party of my parents and grandparents.

Even if I were sympathetic to the claim that the Biden-Harris record has been abysmal and that what you characterize as socialism has been damaging, I would still argue that (a) democracy and human rights are on the ballot this November, and that (b) Trump is a qualitatively greater evil both domestically and internationally. Rejecting this conclusion strikes me as grossly dishonest, grossly uncaring, or both.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Even if I were sympathetic to the claim that the Biden-Harris record has been abysmal and that what you characterize as socialism has been damaging, I would still argue that (a) democracy and human rights are on the ballot this November, and that (b) Trump is a qualitatively greater evil both domestically and internationally. Rejecting this conclusion strikes me as grossly dishonest, grossly uncaring, or both.
His first tern went fine until the pandemic hit.
I see no reason not to see a continuation of what seems to be a capable administration both on foreign and domestic fronts.

Far better than what we see with today's colossal mess with people worse off than ever now.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
That you found it capable speaks to your judgment, not to his presidency.
I can judge well enough the current administration is doing nothing aside from lip service. I see no improvement aside from the wealthy enjoying an extremely prosperous and luxurious existence.
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Just one example of "doing nothing aside from lip service" construction projects made possible by the IRA (Inflation Reduction Act) that was passed during the current administration:

 

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
I’ve be wringing my hands on the edge of my seat for months wondering what she thinks!

Hey brother. I know you and other MAGAs don't care. My point is that she is very popular and could motivate some people, likely young voters, to engage in the process. A few thousand votes here and there might be what the election is decided by.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
Hey brother. I know you and other MAGAs don't care. My point is that she is very popular and could motivate some people, likely young voters, to engage in the process. A few thousand votes here and there might be what the election is decided by.
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