The Role of Women in establishing Peace

[loverofhumanity]

Look..... to state that women would cause less wars, but to ban them from holding any seat on a Bahai World government because they could not make the tough decision to engage in war is a level of Orwellian Doublethink that could only be described by me as terrifying.

That's a foundation for leadership psychosis.

This is all we know. If you wish to criticize it feel free but the time will come when the wisdom of this law will become apparent and vindicated.

"The House of Justice, however, according to the explicit text of the Law of God, is confined to men; this for a wisdom of the Lord God's which will ere long be made manifest as clearly as the sun at high noon. (Selections from the writings of Abdu'l Baha

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Men are denied the opportunity of childbirth. Equality does not mean sameness. The sexes have different functions.

That is a quirk of biology, nothing more. It is no justification for the patriarchal gender stereotype that women are typically 'nurturing' and men are not. It also flies in the face of evidence. Assuming someone's personality based on their sex organs is sexist and only serves to perpetuate the patriarchal attitudes you apparently want to rid us of.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

She was tough all right but that's the whole point. Women end up becoming more like men. It's the culture that needs to change to better integrate feminine qualities.

Actually culture needs to change to the point it recognises that the concept of feminine & masculine qualities is silly, antiquated & sexist. Men can be just as nurturing as women; women can be just as aggressive as men.

 

[David T]

Well the largest religion in the world was founded by a woman Mary Magdalene and has been taught by men predominately for 2,000 years. So i would say what you arenimplying has been at work already. What you haven't accounted for in this boy vs girl duality thing is, if Mary Magdalene is the founder then what is Jesus Or the male aspect also what is nature? I am way more grounded in nature I could say I don't run the show but neither does anyone else.

 

[David T]

This is a quirk of biology and nothing more? So what you are proposing is complete separation from biology as being some kind of what Proper objective reality? Sounds like my theology professors.

 

[crossfire]

This is all we know. If you wish to criticize it feel free but the time will come when the wisdom of this law will become apparent and vindicated.

"The House of Justice, however, according to the explicit text of the Law of God, is confined to men; this for a wisdom of the Lord God's which will ere long be made manifest as clearly as the sun at high noon. (Selections from the writings of Abdu'l Baha

Well yes. It is quite obvious that men will have to integrate the feminine qualities within themselves. Having women "force" them to do so is not going to lead to any sort of lasting change.

 

[oldbadger]

She was tough all right but that's the whole point. Women end up becoming more like men. It's the culture that needs to change to better integrate feminine qualities.

So Mrs Thatcher adopted male characteristics? Love it!

And did Ghandi have feminine characteristics?

 

[oldbadger]

All the best with that. I've spent 17 years serving on Local Spiritual Assemblies where men and women have served in all capacities such as chairman, secretary, and treasurer but I'd love to hear it.

Later. I am on my mobile just now.
All those Years on LSAs eh?
I will be back to guide you further.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Joan of Arc

St. Joan of Arc actually didn't like war and was known to weep and pray over the bodies of soldiers of each side. She also never killed anyone herself. I get what you're saying and agree (there's many Goddesses of war and love Goddesses often preside over aspects of war, too), but she's not a very good example.

 

[Dawnofhope]

So Mrs Thatcher adopted male characteristics? Love it!

And did Ghandi have feminine characteristics?

Sure. Why not?

 

[Dawnofhope]

Later. I am on my mobile just now.
All those Years on LSAs eh?
I will be back to guide you further.

Dig deep. I think you'll struggle to find what you are looking for.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Actually culture needs to change to the point it recognises that the concept of feminine & masculine qualities is silly, antiquated & sexist.

Sure and maybe the last 50+ years of feminist literature and psychology have been in vain too. The reality is that men and women are wired differently and we need to look to history and culture to understand it. For example in the realm of psychiatry women are daignosed with depression and anxiety disorders twice as much as men and men are diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder and drug dependence three times more than men. The different rates become apparent during adolescence and so there are important discussions to be had around biology and cultural expectations.

Men can be just as nurturing as women; women can be just as aggressive as men.

Of course. What reasonable person would disagree.

 

[pearl]

For example in the realm of psychiatry women are daignosed with depression and anxiety disorders twice as much as men

Could it be that women are not afraid of appearing week for acknowledging they need help and seek it?

 

[Dawnofhope]

Well the largest religion in the world was founded by a woman Mary Magdalene and has been taught by men predominately for 2,000 years. So i would say what you arenimplying has been at work already. What you haven't accounted for in this boy vs girl duality thing is, if Mary Magdalene is the founder then what is Jesus Or the male aspect also what is nature? I am way more grounded in nature I could say I don't run the show but neither does anyone else.

As Mary Magdalene was one of the revered women in Christain history, Tahirih was an outstanding heroine in Baha'i history. She attended one of the early conferences of the Babis in Persia 1848. One key aspect of deliberations was to what extent this new Faith represented a brerak from Islam. Tahirih sent a shock wave through the assembled delegates of men by removing her veil which was too much for a few of the participants. Eventually she was martyred on account of her Faith by strangulation. Prior to her death she said "You can kill me as soon as you like, but you cannot stop the emancipation of women."

Táhirih - Wikipedia

 

[Dawnofhope]

Could it be that women are not afraid of appearing week for acknowledging they need help and seek it?

It is true that women will seek medical advice in Western countries more than men in western type democratic countries. Once again this is reflecting a cultural/attitude difference. The research however is independant of who is coming to see their doctor or not.

One obvious difference is that women are more likely to internalise their differences, whereas men are more likely to externalise. Put another way, women are more likely to blame themselves whereas men to blame others for their difficulties. This in turn relates to self esteem and how we view ourselves.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

This is a quirk of biology and nothing more? So what you are proposing is complete separation from biology as being some kind of what Proper objective reality? Sounds like my theology professors.

I'm assuming this was aimed at me. No, what I'm proposing is that people stop using physiology as an excuse for perpetuating misogynist stereotypes & gender roles.

 

[oldbadger]

Dig deep. I think you'll struggle to find what you are looking for.

There are experienced Bahais here who could have written up examples for you, but here is just one to get you started on your own investigations.

Male members of LHJs and NHJs in a Bahai World will have duties in connection with various aspects of government and supervision...... one example to start you off:-


Kitab i Aqdas:
101.

Question: Concerning the law on treasure trove.

Answer:
Should a treasure be found, one-third thereof is the right of the discoverer, and the other two-thirds should be expended by the men of the House of Justice for the welfare of all people. This shall be done after the establishment of the House of Justice, and until that time it shall be committed to the keeping of trustworthy persons in each locality and territory. He, in truth, is the Ruler, the Ordainer, the Omniscient, the All-Informed.


....17 years........ ?

 

[Dawnofhope]

There are experienced Bahais here who could have written up examples for you, but here is just one to get you started on your own investigations.

Male members of LHJs and NHJs in a Bahai World will have duties in connection with various aspects of government and supervision...... one example to start you off:-


Kitab i Aqdas:
101.

Question: Concerning the law on treasure trove.

Answer:
Should a treasure be found, one-third thereof is the right of the discoverer, and the other two-thirds should be expended by the men of the House of Justice for the welfare of all people. This shall be done after the establishment of the House of Justice, and until that time it shall be committed to the keeping of trustworthy persons in each locality and territory. He, in truth, is the Ruler, the Ordainer, the Omniscient, the All-Informed.


....17 years........ ?

So what does that have to do with the price of fish? I thought we were talking about the differing roles of men and women on local and national spiritual assemblies?

 

[David T]

I'm assuming this was aimed at me. No, what I'm proposing is that people stop using physiology as an excuse for perpetuating misogynist stereotypes & gender roles.

Isnt that fundamental to. Scientific narrative to observe and then make some shut up about what is being observed depending on sub conscious assumptions. HelI call that normal!!!! Sort of like " global warming is due to human activity". I say no it's not it's 100% scientifically caused. The bible is devoid of science the last I checked although the faithful and faithless would argue that. So projection , yea I totally agree with yabbut stopping it? I can't see how. Maybe art is the amswer?!!!!

 

[David T]

As Mary Magdalene was one of the revered women in Christain history, Tahirih was an outstanding heroine in Baha'i history. She attended one of the early conferences of the Babis in Persia 1848. One key aspect of deliberations was to what extent this new Faith represented a brerak from Islam. Tahirih sent a shock wave through the assembled delegates of men by removing her veil which was too much for a few of the participants. Eventually she was martyred on account of her Faith by strangulation. Prior to her death she said "You can kill me as soon as you like, but you cannot stop the emancipation of women."

Táhirih - Wikipedia