Top 10 reasons why Jesus Christ Isn't God

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Proofs would be required by those who cannot even hold to ONE carbon copy of their Holy book. The Quran exists in its entirety in exactly the same words, pharses and texts. No shuffling, no mixing with human's interpretation in it. All Muslims hold the exact same copy of the book.

Because Uthman burnt the other ones, according to one Hadith.
Hardly divine hand needed. Just a heavy human one.


Besides, what does that matter? Sikhism has the exact same scripture, too. Raël wrote his OWN scripture.

How can you justify the several editions and VERSIONS of the Torah and the Bible, who contradict each other in a lot of places, to be an EXACTING proof when not even one copy even matches the similarity in text? How does one know which version is accurate?

That doesn't matter to me. I adhere to neither Judaism nor Christianity.

I just don't like intellectual bankruptcy, and this is intellectual bankruptcy at its finest.

As to why there are multiple? It's kind of simple. Languages change, they develop new grammar, new words, and so on. "Gay" used to mean "happy" in English, for example. English used to be able to use double negatives.


One has to seriously clutch at straws to take a word meaning as proof.

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That's very nice, now, isn't it?

 

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but i have never met one that presents this type of nonsense in a desperate attempt to dupe people into believeing,

Lol, I have mate.

The imam at the local mosque did when I visited.

 

[England my lionheart]

Lol, I have mate.

The imam at the local mosque did when I visited.

Thats sad,i guess there are more bankrupt people than i originally thought

 

[Godobeyer]

No thanks. I've already done it.

Machmad (also spelled makhmad, mahmad)
מחמד
adj./n. sweetheart, darling; delight, charm

Muhammad in Hebrew :
מוחמד – ויקיפדיה

The video show it very well how it's spelling this world (without vowels and with vowels) , and the Rabbi spell it "Muhammad" ... i don't need to you opinion .because your not able to be , (you are not better then the rabbi in the video)

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YouTube - The absolute truth about Muhammad in the bible: Rabbis who acknowledging the fact and...PART 1

I have request ,can i use copy/paste always (it did not upset you) ? hhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

 

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Muhammad in Hebrew :
מוחמד – ויקיפדיה

The video show it very well how it's spelling this world (without vowels and with vowels) , and the Rabbi spell it "Muhammad"

No, that's Machmad, still. Machamad if you want to be über-picky. Muhammad is not pronounced with a schwa. Muhammad is pronounced [mʊˈħæmmæd] and would not be pronounced as [mə]. Asked my Hebrew-speaking friend to view video, he does not see them as the same pronunciation either.




Puh-lease.

... i don't need to you opinion .because your not able to be , (you are not better then the rabbi in the video)

I don't understand the first bit, but the second one is a logical fallacy.

By the way, one of the videos uses an automatic translating tool to make it into Muhammad.

Well, I don't know how good you think translators are. I'll give you a clue: they make mistakes in things. In grammar, in spelling, in words. They are, after all, computers, and programmed by people.


They may share a root word, but then again, that makes sense. Even if you use the root-worded niqqud one as opposed to the more used one, it's still going to be similar.



This is so becoming a circular argument.

I have request ,can i use copy/paste always

No, preferably not. It's poor debating skills and ignorant to do so except when it's something you cannot rephrase yourself, or for citation. Not citation en masse or plagiarism. For example, quoting from the Bible or Quran = fine. Plagiarising Zakir Naik or Ahmed Deedat's work or any other pseudoscientific apologist to prove your argument = not fine.

(it did not upset you) ?

hhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

 

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Thats sad,i guess there are more bankrupt people than i originally thought

Sadly!

It's enough to make you lose faith in humanity when the religious congregation leader succumbs to this nonsense too.

 

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Note the waw (second letter, from right to left). m-U.

This came up when I selected Hebrew first. I thought it was lol worthy.

 

[Godobeyer]

No, that's Machmad, still. Machamad if you want to be über-picky. Muhammad is not pronounced with a schwa. Muhammad is pronounced [mʊˈħæmmæd] and would not be pronounced as [mə]. Asked my Hebrew-speaking friend to view video, he does not see them as the same pronunciation either.

look brother we know the the game the vowels ,

Puh-lease.


I don't understand the first bit, but the second one is a logical fallacy.

By the way, one of the videos uses an automatic translating tool to make it into Muhammad.

Well, I don't know how good you think translators are. I'll give you a clue: they make mistakes in things. In grammar, in spelling, in words. They are, after all, computers, and programmed by people.


They may share a root word, but then again, that makes sense. Even if you use the root-worded niqqud one as opposed to the more used one, it's still going to be similar.

check this Israeli forum , they did not discuss the spelling of the word "מַחֲמַדִּ "
why ? because it's Muhammad , without vowels.
Please translate מַחֲמַדִּ - Israel Forum


check this at google translator , i add only ' to our word מַחֲמַדִּ
מַחֲמַדִּי

it's become Mohammadi .... i geuss you just wasting your time to deny the truth
http://translate.google.com/translate_t?hl=&ie=UTF-8&text=%D7%97%D6%B4%D7%9B%D6%BC%D7%95%D6%B9%2C+%D7%9E%D6%B7%D7%9E%D6%B0%D7%AA%D6%B7%D7%A7%D6%BC%D6%B4%D7%99%D7%9D%2C+%D7%95%D6%B0%D7%9B%D6%BB%D7%9C%D6%BC%D7%95%D6%B9%2C+%D7%9E%D6%B7%D7%97%D6%B2%D7%9E%D6%B7%D7%93%D6%BC%D6%B4%D7%99%D7%9D%3B+%D7%96%D6%B6%D7%94+%D7%93%D7%95%D6%B9%D7%93%D6%B4%D7%99+%D7%95%D6%B0%D7%96%D6%B6%D7%94+%D7%A8%D6%B5%D7%A2%D6%B4%D7%99%2C+%D7%91%D6%BC%D6%B0%D7%A0%D7%95%D6%B9%D7%AA+%D7%99%D6%B0%D7%A8%D7%95%D6%BC%D7%A9%D7%81%D6%B8%D7%9C%D6%B8%D6%B4+&sl=iw&tl=en#iw|en|%20%D7%9E%D6%B7%D7%97%D6%B2%D7%9E%D6%B7%D7%93%D6%BC%D6%B4%D7%99

No, preferably not.
t's poor debating skills and ignorant to do so except when it's something you cannot rephrase yourself, or for citation. Not citation en masse or plagiarism. For example, quoting from the Bible or Quran = fine. Plagiarising Zakir Naik or Ahmed Deedat's work or any other pseudoscientific apologist to prove your argument = not fine.

you know what i prefere copy/paste than say something wrong , because in that time i will be responsible ....if my way upset you it's not my problem .

 

[England my lionheart]

Godobeyer,a question for you,why would an all powerful all knowing God place Muhammed in an erotic song?

 

[Godobeyer]

Note the waw (second letter, from right to left). m-U.


This came up when I selected Hebrew first. I thought it was lol worthy.

you know what , i guess you arrived by your self to the truth , and you give an argument against you lol

it's very clear that two spelling are very close , מַחֲמַדִּ or מוחמד

thanks God

 

[Kerr]

don't be smart , my thread is for Jesus (pbuh) not Muhammad ,as I know the Jews hate Jesus (pbuh) also

This line confuses me. Do you hate Jesus or did you mean that the jews hate Muhammad and Jesus? And why would the jews hate any of them?

(Btw, I cannot watch any videos because I don´t have flash right now, lol.)

 

[Godobeyer]

Godobeyer,a question for you,why would an all powerful all knowing God place Muhammed in an erotic song?

i am not able to answser this question because i am not God ,

but let me ask you the same question ?
why would an powerfull all knowing God place David and Solomon (peace be upon them) in an erotic song ?

 

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look brother we know the the game the vowels ,

check this Israeli forum , they did not discuss the spelling of the word "מַחֲמַדִּ "
why ? because it's Muhammad , without vowels.
Please translate מַחֲמַדִּ - Israel Forum

That's still quite a leap. They share a root word. They are not the same.

My name occurs in the Guru Granth Sahib. I must be a prophet, too.

check this at google translator , i add only ' to our word מַחֲמַדִּ
מַחֲמַדִּי

it's become Mohammadi .

But, why did you had an a yod to make Mohammadi?

... i geuss you just wasting your time to deny the truth

I'm not denying the truth, I'm denying the falsehoods, and in this case, this is a falsehood. This is not the name of the Islamic prophet.

If it was, I would question your God's sensibilities, putting a prophet in the middle of Jewish erotica. lol.

you know what i prefere copy/paste than say something wrong , because in that time i will be responsible ....if my way upset you it's not my problem .

But what about when your copy-paste is wrong?

It's also against the forum rules.

you know what , i guess you arrived by your self to the truth , and give an argument against you lol

it's very clear that two spelling are very close , מַחֲמַדִּ or מוחמד

thanks God

Well done, they are spelled the same. That's very good evidence.




Am I talking to myself here?

 

[Godobeyer]

But, why did you had an a yod to make Mohammadi?

I did not add it, i used the word of the song of songs page 5 it's name that mention the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) , it מַחֲמַדִּים

I'm not denying the truth, I'm denying the falsehoods, and in this case, this is a falsehood. This is not the name of the Islamic prophet.

I guess you pray the stones ,keep praying them .

If it was, I would question your God's sensibilities, putting a prophet in the middle of Jewish erotica. lol.

I answser it, there is also the names of David, and Solomone (peace be upon them) in that (erotic) song .

But what about when your copy-paste is wrong?

It's also against the forum rules.

it's not against the rules , because all the world are using it , and also you use it many times before .... (accuatly it's against your beliefs)

Well done, they are spelled the same. That's very good evidence.


Am I talking to myself here?

yes you do , and you just give a proof against you .

 

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I did not add it, i used the word of the song of songs page 5 it's name that mention the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) , it מַחֲמַדִּים

Well, why did you just say the yod? Why not Mahmadim like it says?

I guess you pray the stones ,keep praying them .

A personal attack, an assumption, and not relevant to the discussion.

I answser it, there is also the names of David, and Solomone (peace be upon them) in that (erotic) song .

If I recall correctly, I may be wrong here, one of our Jewish members may know better, it speaks of Solomon's ancestry from David, and Solomon is the guy who is mentioned in it.

Either way, it is an erotic song. Try reading it for yourself.

it's not against the rules , because all the world are using it ,

Who? What?

and also you use it many times before ....

When?

(accuatly it's against your beliefs)

Why? How?

What?

yes you do , and you just give a proof against you .

Where?





Not many people can make me who, what, when, why, how AND where in one brief discussion. Points for the confusing nature of the message.

 

[England my lionheart]

i am not able to answser this question because i am not God ,

Ok i believe your not God

but let me ask you the same question ?
why would an powerfull all knowing God place David and Solomon (peace be upon them) in an erotic song ?

God didn't place them there a Human being did because erotic Poetry or songs are commonplace in Human history,it wouldn't make sense for a God to put Muhammeds name out of context in an erotic song,if that reasoning were not enough look at this part of the song :

1. His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires.
2. His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.
3. His mouth is Muhammed. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem
5. His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.

Which one seems more likely to you

 

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[*]His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires.
[*]His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.
[*]His mouth is Muhammed. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem
[*]
[*]His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.
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Lol, let's not forget this one:

Song of Solomon 2:3-4

3 Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest
is my lover among the young men.
I delight to sit in his shade,
and his fruit is sweet to my taste.
4 He has taken me to the banquet hall,
and his banner over me is love.



Very good place to put a prophet. :areyoucra

 

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16-His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is Muhammad. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem

the hebrew read from the right to the left ... this word in red which mention to Muhammad.

טז חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם.

Only be a major distortion of the words can one arrive at such a claim.

"He is altogether lovely".




I'm bored of this, now.

I won't be posting in this thread any more. This has been destroyed pages ago. Only blind faith, straw-clutching and ignorance keeps this deranged idea going.

 

[Godobeyer]

Only be a major distortion of the words can one arrive at such a claim.

"He is altogether lovely".




I'm bored of this, now.

I won't be posting in this thread any more. This has been destroyed pages ago. Only blind faith, straw-clutching and ignorance keeps this deranged idea going.

yes it's altogether lovely or my beloved ... i don't know exactely , but it's not " most sweet"

16 His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.'

it's one of them altogether lovely or my beloved . not most sweet .

 

[England my lionheart]

So whether or not it makes any sense at all it is supposed to have some significance that a name which even out of context and an incredible leap of faith in an erotic love song fortells of Muhammed.