Where is Logic in Religion?

[Gabethewiking]

darkendless it is not only the religious who are homophobic.

For most part, many Australians will say Gays are okay, but as long as they leave me alone and don't display any affection in public. In other words homophobic. It isn't just the religious.

I guess you got a long list of these "Australians" you speak of, and no doubt a hefty peer review paper, as Creationist like having their claims based on fact.. *coughing*....

Anyway, we got homophobes everywhere, the point is that Religious people, specifically religions such as Christianity and Islam is by nature homophobic and hateful, that is the problem. You follow a belief that is hateful and promote hatred, if you happen to decide to be hateful that is your choice, but now we got religions to tell you to be hateful.

 

[lupus]

Darkendless, if society had to foot the bill for all the charitable work religious bodies do, we would have to double our taxes.

As for homosexuals, yes it is unfair, but just remember it took nearly 200 years in Australia for women and Australian aboriginal people to get the vote, and for people of aboriginal heritage to be considered human. The gay rights movement still have a long way to go yet.

So becasue one social injustice took 2 centuries to put right its ok to be tardy in putting right inequalities for gay men and lesbians? It was also 'okay' for the UK to send their undesirables to Australia as punishment and for men and women to be stolen from their homelands and sold into slavery. Thankfully this is 2010 NOT 1810 or even 1910 - most right minded people realise that it is not acceptable to treat people as 'lesser' humans simply due to a quirk of nature that makes them 'different' from the 'norm'.

 

[Gabethewiking]

So becasue one social injustice took 2 centuries to put right its ok to be tardy in putting right inequalities for gay men and lesbians? It was also 'okay' for the UK to send their undesirables to Australia as punishment and for men and women to be stolen from their homelands and sold into slavery. Thankfully this is 2010 NOT 1810 or even 1910 - most right minded people realise that it is not acceptable to treat people as 'lesser' humans simply due to a quirk of nature that makes them 'different' from the 'norm'.

"Different" from the "norm" in an enviroment they do not belong... (after they where put in location).

 

[darkendless]

darkendless it is not only the religious who are homophobic.

For most part, many Australians will say Gays are okay, but as long as they leave me alone and don't display any affection in public. In other words homophobic. It isn't just the religious.

Non-religious people simply state their hatred.

Religious people try and make excuses for their bigotry.

 

[Thief]

Did anyone mention St. Thomas Aquinas?

I read quite a bit of his 'logic' when I was so much younger.

I think his work goes too far in the attempt to argue favorably to all the axioms the church holds true.
But his work is interesting for the extensive effort.

 

[footprints]

I guess you got a long list of these "Australians" you speak of, and no doubt a hefty peer review paper, as Creationist like having their claims based on fact.. *coughing*....

Anyway, we got homophobes everywhere, the point is that Religious people, specifically religions such as Christianity and Islam is by nature homophobic and hateful, that is the problem. You follow a belief that is hateful and promote hatred, if you happen to decide to be hateful that is your choice, but now we got religions to tell you to be hateful.

Gabe as a matter of fact, there is. Not only by Australian Universities, but surveys conducted each year pre and post the gay mardi gras in Sydney by the gay community themselves.

Yes there is homophobia everywhere. Fullstop. Period.

 

[footprints]

Non-religious people simply state their hatred.

Religious people try and make excuses for their bigotry.

Yes and non religious people don't even try to make excuses they just beat the hell out of gay people and show their hatred and disgust and then blame the gay person for being gay.

Personally I know which one of the two I would rather be standing shoulder to shoulder with at the pub.

 

[footprints]

So becasue one social injustice took 2 centuries to put right its ok to be tardy in putting right inequalities for gay men and lesbians? It was also 'okay' for the UK to send their undesirables to Australia as punishment and for men and women to be stolen from their homelands and sold into slavery. Thankfully this is 2010 NOT 1810 or even 1910 - most right minded people realise that it is not acceptable to treat people as 'lesser' humans simply due to a quirk of nature that makes them 'different' from the 'norm'.

LOL lupus, what makes you think England still isn't sending their undesirables to Australia? Didn't you just send one of your bloody royals here, William or the other one? Albeit this wasn't for the royals punishment, it was punishment for the Australian people.

LOL I wish it were that easy to change human nature. Women are still not equal. How long have we been trying to stop wars for? Wasn't the first world war called the war to end all wars?

 

[lupus]

LOL lupus, what makes you think England still isn't sending their undesirables to Australia? Didn't you just send one of your bloody royals here, William or the other one? Albeit this wasn't for the royals punishment, it was punishment for the Australian people.

LOL I wish it were that easy to change human nature. Women are still not equal. How long have we been trying to stop wars for? Wasn't the first world war called the war to end all wars?

I don't see how this answers the point I was making in any way. The royalty thing is a com-letely different topic - although the pictures I've seen from Austrailia don't really show many people 'suffering' from the prince's visit!

You're rgith that women are not completely equal - there is still a way to go but things are BETTER and that can only be a good thing. I personally don't beleive ANYONE should be treated unfairly because of some facet of their being is 'different'. Saying that it takes a long time to change things is not a reasonable excuse - if a thing is WRONG it should be changed...end of. Discrimination against anyone is WRONG....whether its due to gender, sexual orientation, colour, religion, whatever. Whilst I don't beleive in the man in the sky with the big white beard I do beleive that human beings are equally important whereever they come from and whatever their particular 'quirk' is.

What exactly is wrong in your eyes with giving gay and lesbian HUMANS the same rights as the rest of the population? Please don't quote the bible or I may have to quote Cat in the Hat...to me they are on an equal footing - both works of fiction!

 

[Gabethewiking]

Gabe as a matter of fact, there is. Not only by Australian Universities, but surveys conducted each year pre and post the gay mardi gras in Sydney by the gay community themselves.

Yes there is homophobia everywhere. Fullstop. Period.

Haha, gay mardi gras.. Hihi..

Yes, but Christianity and other religions use their religion to promote the hatred they have, others simple hate, you give excuses and refer to your religion.

 

[Gabethewiking]

I don't see how this answers the point I was making in any way. The royalty thing is a com-letely different topic - although the pictures I've seen from Austrailia don't really show many people 'suffering' from the prince's visit!

You're rgith that women are not completely equal - there is still a way to go but things are BETTER and that can only be a good thing. I personally don't beleive ANYONE should be treated unfairly because of some facet of their being is 'different'. Saying that it takes a long time to change things is not a reasonable excuse - if a thing is WRONG it should be changed...end of. Discrimination against anyone is WRONG....whether its due to gender, sexual orientation, colour, religion, whatever. Whilst I don't beleive in the man in the sky with the big white beard I do beleive that human beings are equally important whereever they come from and whatever their particular 'quirk' is.

What exactly is wrong in your eyes with giving gay and lesbian HUMANS the same rights as the rest of the population? Please don't quote the bible or I may have to quote Cat in the Hat...to me they are on an equal footing - both works of fiction!

Agreed, the power of the Vagina is enormous, Total Control and Power I say, scary stuff the magic power they can squirt out of that thing.. Scary indeed.

 

[footprints]

What exactly is wrong in your eyes with giving gay and lesbian HUMANS the same rights as the rest of the population? Please don't quote the bible or I may have to quote Cat in the Hat...to me they are on an equal footing - both works of fiction!

Your association patterns are so twisted and distorted, I doubt you could see reality if you tripped over it. I think Cat in the Hat suits you.

1: I am not an advocate of Human Rights. Neither are you from the sounds of things. I will leave it to your own intelligence to figure that one out, albeit I doubt ............

2: Even though I am not gay, not a woman and not an indigenous Australian, I have been a supporter of these movements for as long as I can remember. And, by association wih these groups, in identifying to their causes, have suffered the same atrocities committed against me and my family, as they themselves have suffered.

3: I am not a theist.

4: In western countries, if the majority of people wanted to give women equal rights, indigenous people equal rights, or gay people equal rights, no intelligent government would deny them.

5: As for willi or whatever royal it was, a picture tells a thousand words. Nothing says the words it tells has to be correct, a persons perception will fill the truth in for them.

6: I cannot remember the last time I came across a post like yours, that contained so many things wrong in it, yet associated to as if they were correct. Yes, I can only say again, Cat in the Hat, suits you.

 

[footprints]

Haha, gay mardi gras.. Hihi..

Yes, but Christianity and other religions use their religion to promote the hatred they have, others simple hate, you give excuses and refer to your religion.

Gabe your lack of knowledge is incredible. The way you relate and associate even more incredible.

 

[footprints]

Agreed, the power of the Vagina is enormous, Total Control and Power I say, scary stuff the magic power they can squirt out of that thing.. Scary indeed.

I cannot remember the last time I read or heard anything so disrespectful to women. I am glad that sort of rot is in your mind and not mine.

 

[darkendless]

Yes and non religious people don't even try to make excuses they just beat the hell out of gay people and show their hatred and disgust and then blame the gay person for being gay.

Personally I know which one of the two I would rather be standing shoulder to shoulder with at the pub.

Its a little absurd to blame non-religious people for violence against homosexuals don't you think? I don't think when violence against them in this country was at a high they bothered to ask religious affiliation when the offenders were being questioned.

 

[Gabethewiking]

Gabe your lack of knowledge is incredible. The way you relate and associate even more incredible.

Let me guess, the promotion of hatred and oppression against the homosexual community by Religious Christian organizations does not exist in your mind and is just our "imagination", correct?

So you Do support Homosexuals equal rights amd the right to marry as any other person is. Yes or no will suffice?

 

[Gabethewiking]

Its a little absurd to blame non-religious people for violence against homosexuals don't you think? I don't think when violence against them in this country was at a high they bothered to ask religious affiliation when the offenders were being questioned.

Funny thing is, when I lived in Australia and New Zealand I encountered a general open population (majority) with a small (minority) violent and hateful group against homosexuality, they where all highly religious....

But the more interesting point, they where a small minority and the vast majority of the nations population where open to human rights for everyone... But that is just my experience, I have more knowledge about the Kiwi system then Aussie one for starters, but I thought worth mentioning.

 

[footprints]

Its a little absurd to blame non-religious people for violence against homosexuals don't you think? I don't think when violence against them in this country was at a high they bothered to ask religious affiliation when the offenders were being questioned.

Some religious people may promote gay voilence, some non-religious people make it complete.

However I will let you in on a bit more knowledge, when counselling such people in prison over these violent crimes, I didn't have to ask their religious affiliation, they gave this knowledge to me freely. Now I am not saying there weren't any who were affiliated to a religion in some way, but what I am saying is, I didn't counsel any.

 

[footprints]

Let me guess, the promotion of hatred and oppression against the homosexual community by Religious Christian organizations does not exist in your mind and is just our "imagination", correct?

That is a warped association. I know some people of religious affiliations promote animosity toward gay people, and I know some people of non-religious affiliations promote animosity toward gay people.

So you Do support Homosexuals equal rights amd the right to marry as any other person is. Yes or no will suffice?

Do I support Gay rights..... Yes.

Do I support marriage..... No. (LOL see if your brain can figure that one out, that isn't in your normal association)

 

[Thought Criminal]

That is a warped association. I know some people of religious affiliations promote animosity toward gay people, and I know some people of non-religious affiliations promote animosity toward gay people.



Do I support Gay rights..... Yes.

Do I support marriage..... No. (LOL see if your brain can figure that one out, that isn't in your normal association)

I can figure it out just fine: you just contradicted yourself. Marriage is a basic civil right.

TC