Why Jews don't believe in Jesus

[Lisa Sims]

The nobility of man and his spiritual development will lead him in the future to such a position that no individual could enjoy eating his food or resting at home while knowing that there was one person somewhere in the world without food or shelter.

Interesting...

This is already a fact on planets whose first parents chose to seek One-ness with God instead of independence:

Orion Describes Himself and His Planet – Jesus Affirms Orion is Here to Help us on Earth
As I have indicated, we inhabit a different planet than yours and yet we are very similar to you, in as much as we have a human form and have a soul, as you have a soul. So therefore, our goals and aspirations are similar; we wish to express our full potential as individual souls, we wish to be in light, to be close to God. These things you also wish to aspire towards and work towards in your daily efforts. Our great advantage is that when we are born upon our planet, the human condition as you call it, does not exist. It is an advanced and light- filled place that is in harmony with God’s Laws, in harmony with God...
...it is the Law of Creation that each soul is to be awakened in the great gift of Divine Love, as you call it, and must come with your individual desire and prayer. Yet this love is so thick in the atmosphere of our planet that it is easily obtained and it is a powerful influence upon everything that we do. We are not held back by mental blockages and doubts and error, as are you, my beloved friends. We are in harmony always and we seek harmony always. Orion, 10/5/2021

I come; I am Jesus. I come to assure you that our beloved friend is indeed who he says he is and that he does bring light and truth and love in his being. In every way he is our equal, in every way he is synchronised and in harmony with us and the efforts that are being made to awaken humanity to truth, light and love. So we welcome this assistance, this presence of light in our world, for we are in great need are we not, of all that can be given to awaken humanity and heal this world of the disruptions and disharmonies that exist. Jesus, 10/5/2021

Technology and Inter-stellar Support
"...Without the functioning of technology on my planet, I would not be here today for I am allowed the privilege of travelling from my physical body which I possess to coming here with my spirit body to this place. This is a gift. Technology allows my physical body to be sustained over a long period of time while I visit you for that duration of time..." Orion, 3/26/23

Government, Economy and Life on Orion’s Planet
"...As I have indicated, we live in a harmonious environment, one which considers all and does not leave any individual out. There are none who are deprived, who are ill, who lack sustenance and shelter...
Our children stay with their parents for a much longer period of time than yours. Since our lifespan is in the hundreds of years, the family unit continues to stay together for almost one hundred years...
We create such habitations by utilising our ability to reform materials of our planet at will into beautiful spaces in which to live. There is no need for factories such as what you have in your world. Instead objects are created mentally and with the application and the ability to reform natural materials into what is required. We do not kill animals so that we may eat. Primarily we eat vegetables and fruit, pure water and we create various flavoured beverages that are natural as well. Animals are our friends. There are not as many animals upon our planet in terms of variation as yours but there is no predation on our planet either. Again, harmony prevails in this situation..." Orion, 12/7/2023

Blessings...

From Jesus' Second Coming Message Series From Spirit, 1914 to Present. soultruth.ca, new-birth.net

John 16:25 "...Thus far I have spoken to you only in parables...but a time is coming when I will tell you plainly about the Father..."

 

[John D. Brey]

We do not believe G-d will assume a human form. Nowhere in Messianic prophecy is the Messiah G-d in human form or otherwise. Jews also do not believe anyone can assume responsibility for the sins of another. G-d also calls human sacrifice an abomination and condemns it in the strongest possible terms.

Message #697 deals with the fact that a human can be a sacrifice if they're not conceived by means of the "evil smelling drop of semen" (Avot 3:1); they can be sacrificed to God as a fitting recompense for sin since they're not subject to death being that the wages of sin is death and they weren't conceived in sin (phallic-sex).

Ritually speaking, circumcision acts as a symbolic return to the status of Adam before the sin (phallic-sex). It does so by emblematically removing the organ through which the "evil smelling drop of semen" comes, so to say.

Voila! . . After Abraham symbolically removes the offending organ (so that semen and the serpent of death have no fleshly deliverer), Isaac, who's born after that emasculating ritual, is fit to be ritually sacrificed, aka the Akedah. But since Abraham's emasculation is merely ritual (it doesn't cut clean through to the bone of the truth it symbolizes) so too Isaac's sacrifice, aka the Akedah, is only symbolic, ritual. As Abraham doesn't cut all the way through to the truth of the emasculating nature of ritual circumcision, he likewise only scaths Isaac, perhaps drawing a little blood, ala brit milah, rather than doing the full Monty in confidence that since Isaac is virgin-conceived (like a latter day Isaac) he's not subject to death (like a latter day human sacrifice) and will get up off the wood on his back (like a latter day resurrection) in order to back up the truth that without the smelly drop of semen, death has no hold on anyone.

We do not believe G-d will assume a human form. Nowhere in Messianic prophecy is the Messiah G-d in human form or otherwise.

If the persons exegeting and interpreting the scripture need that to be true, then they'll likely interpret even scriptures that teach otherwise, in a malfeasant manner akin to some of the things found in the Masoretic text. Jeremiah 23:5-8 is a case in point. In the Hebrew, rescued from the the way the Masoretes nail down the living Torah so it can't speak orally, it says:

Behold, the days come saith the Lord that I will resurrect הקמתי unto David a righteous basal-shoot צמח and king who shall reign and prosper and execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days, Judah shall save, and Israel shall dwell safely, such that this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord our Righteousness.​

Sound exegesis contradicts the Masorete's attempt to deny Messiah as a case where "Judah shall save" (Judah shall be a savior), and where the messianic-king is directly said to be called, "The Lord our Righteousness." Hidden in the Jeremiah 23:5-8 is the key to how and why Messiah is called, "The Lord our Righteousness," how and why Messiah is fit to be not only King, not only Righteous Lord, but Savior too. It's all in the word the English version translates "Branch," i.e., tsemach צמח.

In Hebrew, the word tsemach צמח doesn't really mean "branch." There's another word for that, netzar נצר. The word tsemach צמח speaks of a specialized branch, a non-sexual basal-shoot growing from the root of a tree rather than growing out of a sexually fertilized seed. In Isaiah 11:1 we see the word netzar נצר being linked to the concept found in the word tsemach צמח, and in a verse and chapter speaking specifically of the birth of Messiah:

And there shall come a rod out of the coppiced stump גזע of Jesse, and a branch נצר shall grow out of his roots, and the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him.​

Isaiah 11:1 is the exegetical key to Jeremiah 23 and vice versa since Jeremiah 23:5-8 points out that the messianic king will be a basal-shoot out of the root (rather than a branch from a sexually fertilized seed) while Isaiah 11:1 says this rod חטר will rise out of a coppiced tree גזע, will sprout, asexually, from the root of a dead stump (Jesse) as a netzar נצר or nazarene.

Without doing any exegetical yoga or gymnastics, two undeniably messianic passages of scripture claim that Messiah's name will be related to the fact that he grows out of the dead stump of Jesse (a coppiced stump גצע) as a basal-shoot צמח (a non-sexual branch, in contradistinction to a branch come from the normal sexual processes of the tree). Because of this virgin-conception and birth (i.e., because Messiah comes from the coppiced root remaining after Jesse circumcises his organ, which circumcision Jewish midrashim compares to coppicing), he will be called "The Righteous Lord."

These two messianic passages from the Tanakh imply that the very reason we know Messiah's supernal name is "The Righteous Lord" is because his human name is directly and unequivocally related to a non-sexual צמח branch נצר growing out of a coppiced/circumcised root of Jesse's patrilineal tree. We know Messiah is Lord because of the nature of his miraculous virgin birth.

For those who don't know what any of this means it might help to point out that in Isaiah 48:6, the prophet says the name of Messiah that's hidden from Israel because of their sin is "Nazarene" נצרות. As fate would have it, the Talmud names Jesus of Nazareth the "Nazarene." That is to say that the Talmud, of all places, calls Jesus, "Nazarene," which nazarene is a shoot or branch that grows asexually out of a coppiced, dead, stump, such that it is quite literally a resurrected branch of the dead tree. It grows out of the roots beneath the earth, so that when it sprouts up out of the earth it's the resurrection, the "rising" קום of the formerly dead tree.

The same prophet who says Messiah's hidden name will be "Nazarene" (Isaiah 48:6), says Messiah will be indwelt with the spirit of the Lord because he's virgin born from the dead stump of Jesse. In Isaiah 11:1 the prophet implies that because Messiah is resurrected from the dead stump of Jesse's coppiced patrilineal tree, his fathering organ (the organ he bleeds to death at brit milah), he's therefore qualified to be indwelt by the spirit of the Lord such that his naming as "Nazarene" is symbiotically linked to his being called, "The Righteous Lord."



John

 

[John D. Brey]

The same prophet who says Messiah's hidden name will be "Nazarene" (Isaiah 48:6), says Messiah will be indwelt with the spirit of the Lord because he's virgin born from the dead stump of Jesse. In Isaiah 11:1 the prophet implies that because Messiah is resurrected from the dead stump of Jesse's coppiced patrilineal tree, his fathering organ (the organ he bleeds to death at brit milah), he's therefore qualified to be indwelt by the spirit of the Lord such that his naming as "Nazarene" is symbiotically linked to his being called, "The Righteous Lord."

Saying that being a "nazarene" qualifies one to be called "The Righteous Lord," segues into the holy Shelah's comments as noted earlier:

Remember that if Adam had not sinned the whole concept of areas that are sanctified and areas that are not would not have existed. The whole earth would have been like גן עדן [the garden of Eden], and every place on earth would have enjoyed the status of sanctity. . . There similarly would not have been people specially selected to perform the service in the Sanctuary since the whole of mankind would have been a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. . . Man would not have been required to bring himself close to G'd by means of an animal sacrifice; he himself would have been the sacrifice . . ..​

Rabbi Isaiah Horowitz, Shney Luchot Habrit, p. 681.​

​

If the whole world was sanctity, if everyone was pure and clean, there'd be no death, no angel of death ruling the roost, such that there'd be no need for a clean sacrifice to sanctify the un-sanctity (uncleanness) of the born sinner. If man was created or born sanctified he wouldn't require a sacrifice (animal or man) to bring himself close to God since he would already be close to God. God would walk and talk with him in the garden. The need for a sacrifice only arrives with sin and death.

The entire laws pertaining to sacrifices . . . are all reminders of the first sin committed by Adam and the resultant diminution of man's stature in the universe.​

​

Ibid. p. 682.​

Sacrificial death is designed to sanctify the unholy, or those who aren't born in sanctity, those born by means of the evil smelling drop of semen.

Man's diminution after his seduction by the serpent ended only when the Jewish people received the Torah. At that time the Jewish people finally excreted any residue of the pollutant absorbed by him by way of the original serpent. Man (Jews) was then fit to resume his original stature. . . Alas, Israel again lost this lofty status through its sin with the golden calf, and as a result the universe (man) once more returned to a state of imperfection never again to be totally rehabilitated until the advent of the Messiah.​

​

Ibid. p. 699.​

Israel hadn't received the tablets of the law before the golden calf fiasco. Israel never actually "excreted any residue of the pollutant absorbed by him by way of the original serpent" since Moses broke the holy tablets on his way from receiving them since he came back to Israel and the golden calf fiasco in full bore. Ergo, we don't know what not having the residue of the evil smelling drop of semen would have looked like, and won't, until the advent of the Messiah.

Which lead into the broadly recieved idea that the advent of the Messiah (the first at least) has come and gone with the sacrifice of a man the Talmud calls the "Nazarene." The Shelah implies it will be in the advent of this Branch, this netzer נצר, this Nazarene, King Messiah, that we can finally come to grips with what it means to see someone without any residue or pollution, come, so to say, from the fleshly serpent.

As has been noted by many great Jewish sages, it's the case that when scripture is revealing something supernally important, something so great it must be hidden from the hoi polloi, the profane glyphs where such secrets are written often become sacred themselves, hieroglyhs so to say.

The word for the asexual branch that will reveal the arrival of Messiah, and thus what it looks like to be free of the pollution from the serpent, is, as has been noted, the word tsemach צמח. Ironically, if you invert the letters for this word representing being free from the pollution of the serpent you get the word chamez חמץ, that is, "leaven." Hieroglphically speaking, then, leaven represents the pollution the holy Shelah calls, with reference to Avot 3:1, the "evil smelling drop of semen." If the foregoing is to be believed, if the foregoing is to be enlightening, this "evil smelling drop of semen" is, hieroglyphically speaking, represented by leaven. If you're conceived with leaven, the evil smelling drop, you're needing of salvation, whereas if you're concieved without leaven, as unleavened bread, you're the solution for those needing salvation.

If someone poo poos the idea that leaven is symbolic of semen, they might be surprised to know that the word the scripture uses for the place where leaven resides is called the miseret משארת. If we suspect that that word retains some of the same hieroglyphic power that inhabits the word for the branch צמח not conceived through sexual propagation, i.e.,the tsemach צמח (which inverted spells chametz/leaven חמץ), then it might be unsettling to realize that in the word for where leaven is added, miseret משארת, the first and last letters (mem and tav) spell the word for "death" mot מת, which is also the word for "man" or "husband" מת. This is telling since the letters in the middle of this man, or death, is seor שאר, which is another word for "leaven."

If the letters in the word for where leaven is added to dough are separated they end up as a heiroglyph of a "man" מת with "leaven" שאר in his mid section מ–שאר–ת miseret. The word for where leaven is added is a pictogram of a "man" מת with leaven שאר in the middle of the garden of his body.

מ–שאר–ת

Seemingly miraculously, if you take the pictogram above, a man with leaven in the middle of his garden, and invert the outside word as well as the inside word, you get the word for "perfect," tam תמ, with the word for "firstborn" rosh ראש, right there in the belly of the word for perfect ("perfect firstborn"):

ת–ראש–ם

In the word for where leaven comes into the batch --miseret משארת---you have a man מת with leaven שאר in the middle of his garden, while if you invert both words (man, and leaven) you get the the word for the "perfect firstborn," tam תם and rosh ראש, which "perfect" תם "firstborn" ראש we take to be King Messiah. This is particularly significant since what leads to the revelation concernign the Hebrew word for where leaven is added to the mix is the revelation that the word translated "branch" where the word refers to Messiah, tsemach צמח is not only a word that speaks of non-sexual propagation, but if the word for the non-sexual propagation of Messiah is inverted it spells a Hebrew word other than seor שאר that means the same thing, "leaven," i.e., chametz חמץ. Messiah is conceived from an asexual conception such that there's no seor שאר or chametz חמץ contaminating his birth. He's conceived without the evil smelling drop of semen that in biblical nomenclature is represented by the chametz or seor, the leaven, that transforms unleaven bread into the stuff of the leavened breed needing the perfect firstborn Savior the Talmud labels the Nazarene (the Branch).

Behold the man whose name is Tsemach צמח; And he shall grow out of his place and build the temple of the Lord.​

​

Zechariah 6:12.​

John

 

[Betho_br]

Saying that being a "nazarene" qualifies one to be called "The Righteous Lord," segues into the holy Shelah's comments as noted earlier:

Remember that if Adam had not sinned the whole concept of areas that are sanctified and areas that are not would not have existed. The whole earth would have been like גן עדן [the garden of Eden], and every place on earth would have enjoyed the status of sanctity. . . There similarly would not have been people specially selected to perform the service in the Sanctuary since the whole of mankind would have been a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. . . Man would not have been required to bring himself close to G'd by means of an animal sacrifice; he himself would have been the sacrifice . . ..​

Rabbi Isaiah Horowitz, Shney Luchot Habrit, p. 681.​

​

If the whole world was sanctity, if everyone was pure and clean, there'd be no death, no angel of death ruling the roost, such that there'd be no need for a clean sacrifice to sanctify the un-sanctity (uncleanness) of the born sinner. If man was created or born sanctified he wouldn't require a sacrifice (animal or man) to bring himself close to God since he would already be close to God. God would walk and talk with him in the garden. The need for a sacrifice only arrives with sin and death.

The entire laws pertaining to sacrifices . . . are all reminders of the first sin committed by Adam and the resultant diminution of man's stature in the universe.​

​

Ibid. p. 682.​

Sacrificial death is designed to sanctify the unholy, or those who aren't born in sanctity, those born by means of the evil smelling drop of semen.

Man's diminution after his seduction by the serpent ended only when the Jewish people received the Torah. At that time the Jewish people finally excreted any residue of the pollutant absorbed by him by way of the original serpent. Man (Jews) was then fit to resume his original stature. . . Alas, Israel again lost this lofty status through its sin with the golden calf, and as a result the universe (man) once more returned to a state of imperfection never again to be totally rehabilitated until the advent of the Messiah.​

​

Ibid. p. 699.​

Israel hadn't received the tablets of the law before the golden calf fiasco. Israel never actually "excreted any residue of the pollutant absorbed by him by way of the original serpent" since Moses broke the holy tablets on his way from receiving them since he came back to Israel and the golden calf fiasco in full bore. Ergo, we don't know what not having the residue of the evil smelling drop of semen would have looked like, and won't, until the advent of the Messiah.

Which lead into the broadly recieved idea that the advent of the Messiah (the first at least) has come and gone with the sacrifice of a man the Talmud calls the "Nazarene." The Shelah implies it will be in the advent of this Branch, this netzer נצר, this Nazarene, King Messiah, that we can finally come to grips with what it means to see someone without any residue or pollution, come, so to say, from the fleshly serpent.

As has been noted by many great Jewish sages, it's the case that when scripture is revealing something supernally important, something so great it must be hidden from the hoi polloi, the profane glyphs where such secrets are written often become sacred themselves, hieroglyhs so to say.

The word for the asexual branch that will reveal the arrival of Messiah, and thus what it looks like to be free of the pollution from the serpent, is, as has been noted, the word tsemach צמח. Ironically, if you invert the letters for this word representing being free from the pollution of the serpent you get the word chamez חמץ, that is, "leaven." Hieroglphically speaking, then, leaven represents the pollution the holy Shelah calls, with reference to Avot 3:1, the "evil smelling drop of semen." If the foregoing is to be believed, if the foregoing is to be enlightening, this "evil smelling drop of semen" is, hieroglyphically speaking, represented by leaven. If you're conceived with leaven, the evil smelling drop, you're needing of salvation, whereas if you're concieved without leaven, as unleavened bread, you're the solution for those needing salvation.

If someone poo poos the idea that leaven is symbolic of semen, they might be surprised to know that the word the scripture uses for the place where leaven resides is called the miseret משארת. If we suspect that that word retains some of the same hieroglyphic power that inhabits the word for the branch צמח not conceived through sexual propagation, i.e.,the tsemach צמח (which inverted spells chametz/leaven חמץ), then it might be unsettling to realize that in the word for where leaven is added, miseret משארת, the first and last letters (mem and tav) spell the word for "death" mot מת, which is also the word for "man" or "husband" מת. This is telling since the letters in the middle of this man, or death, is seor שאר, which is another word for "leaven."

If the letters in the word for where leaven is added to dough are separated they end up as a heiroglyph of a "man" מת with "leaven" שאר in his mid section מ–שאר–ת miseret. The word for where leaven is added is a pictogram of a "man" מת with leaven שאר in the middle of the garden of his body.

מ–שאר–ת

Seemingly miraculously, if you take the pictogram above, a man with leaven in the middle of his garden, and invert the outside word as well as the inside word, you get the word for "perfect," tam תמ, with the word for "firstborn" rosh ראש, right there in the belly of the word for perfect ("perfect firstborn"):

ת–ראש–ם

In the word for where leaven comes into the batch --miseret משארת---you have a man מת with leaven שאר in the middle of his garden, while if you invert both words (man, and leaven) you get the the word for the "perfect firstborn," tam תם and rosh ראש, which "perfect" תם "firstborn" ראש we take to be King Messiah. This is particularly significant since what leads to the revelation concernign the Hebrew word for where leaven is added to the mix is the revelation that the word translated "branch" where the word refers to Messiah, tsemach צמח is not only a word that speaks of non-sexual propagation, but if the word for the non-sexual propagation of Messiah is inverted it spells a Hebrew word other than seor שאר that means the same thing, "leaven," i.e., chametz חמץ. Messiah is conceived from an asexual conception such that there's no seor שאר or chametz חמץ contaminating his birth. He's conceived without the evil smelling drop of semen that in biblical nomenclature is represented by the chametz or seor, the leaven, that transforms unleaven bread into the stuff of the leavened breed needing the perfect firstborn Savior the Talmud labels the Nazarene (the Branch).

Behold the man whose name is Tsemach צמח; And he shall grow out of his place and build the temple of the Lord.​

​

Zechariah 6:12.​

John

The text suggests a strong connection between the expected Messiah and Jesus, the "Nazarene".

 

[firedragon]

I just read…

The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham…
Matthew 1:1

So Jesus was born to a man?

 

[firedragon]

I've seen this discussed here a bit and there is a lot of misinformation so here are some of the key (but not all) reasons Jews do not believe in Jesus.

The Messiah must be from David's line and from the tribe of Judah, Jesus was not.
The Messiah must rebuild the temple, the temple still stood when Jesus lived.
The Messiah must reunite the Jews, the Jews were not even scattered when Jesus lived.
The Messiah must be Jewish... duh.
The Messiah will establish world peace and rule justly, Jesus did not do this.
The Messiah will rule when the Torah is written in everyone's heart and all people acknowledge Hashem as G-d, Jesus did not do this.

In addition Jews do not accept the notion of a trinity or original sin. We do not believe G-d will assume a human form. Nowhere in Messianic prophecy is the Messiah G-d in human form or otherwise. Jews also do not believe anyone can assume responsibility for the sins of another. G-d also calls human sacrifice an abomination and condemns it in the strongest possible terms. There is nothing in Messianic prophecy about the Messiah dying and coming back at a later date, it says he will finish the job.

There's more, but that's a primer for anyone interested.

Nice post. Thanks.

 

[Trailblazer]

The text suggests a strong connection between the expected Messiah and Jesus, the "Nazarene".

Where is that in the text?

 

[paarsurrey]

Why Jews don't believe in Jesus

The Messiah should not die and resurrect.

I agree with one here.

Regards

 

[Betho_br]

Why Jews don't believe in Jesus

The Messiah should not die and resurrect.

I agree with one here.

Regards

The list was made by a Jewish rabbi.

I will research the Logos and the Renaissance...

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Just for reference. It was suggested in an earlier post that potentially Jews should kind of "put aside our knowledge of what the Tanakh states in Hebrew," and w/o the text consider the claims made in the New Testament. Though this suggestion makes no sense, I will say that if anyone is interested in a Torah based Jewish analysis of the New Testament below is playlist of a series called A Rabbi Cross Examines the New Testament by Rabbi Michael Skobac. He has spent several years chapter by chapter going through the NT and analyzing what is written in it against Torah, history, etc. There are 226 videos, he started at Matthew went through Acts to Revelation, and now he has been going through the other gospels (he is currently in Luke). His videos are highly suggested for Christians to understand a play by play of why we Jews don't accept Christian claims.

A Rabbi Cross-Examines the New Testament - With Rabbi Michael Skobac

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[1213]

Christian Bible scholars agreed that the Gospel had been preached in all the world by the mid 19th century.
All people know about Jesus and Christianity.

Yet very few know about the God's kingdom and that it can be with them already. I think the "Christian scholars" are wrong.

I believe those verses are about Baha'u'llah who was one like Jesus, so Baha'u'llah was the return of the Son of man.

How is Baha'u'llah like Jesus?

The problem Christians have is that the Bible does not SAY that Jesus will return, not anywhere in the OT or the NT.

That is not true, for example because:

who also said, "You men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who was received up from you into the sky will come back in the same way as you saw him going into the sky."
Acts 1:11

 

[Trailblazer]

Yet very few know about the God's kingdom and that it can be with them already. I think the "Christian scholars" are wrong.

How is Baha'u'llah like Jesus?

For starters they both brought the Holy Spirit to humanity. They also had the same end goal, to unite mankind.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

“My object is none other than the betterment of the world and the tranquillity of its peoples. The well-being of mankind, its peace and security, are unattainable unless and until its unity is firmly established. This unity can never be achieved so long as the counsels which the Pen of the Most High hath revealed are suffered to pass unheeded.”

Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 286-287

That is not true, for example because:

who also said, "You men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who was received up from you into the sky will come back in the same way as you saw him going into the sky."
Acts 1:11

One verse in the Bible spoken by angels, who carry no authority, says Jesus will return.
Nowhere did Jesus say He will return. Rather, Jesus said His work was finished here and He was no more in the world.

Let's look at those verses.

Acts 1:9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight. 10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11 “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

The disciples (Men of Galilee) were staring up into the sky. The two men dressed in white (angels) came along and asked why they were staring up into the sky. The two men dressed in white (angels) then wondered why the disciples were staring up into the sky, and then they said that the same Jesus who was taken up to heaven will return as he went to heaven. The text does not say what the disciples saw going up to heaven, but presumably it was the spiritual body of Jesus, the body that Jesus had after he died physically and was resurrected (transformed).

1 Corinthians 15: 51 But let me reveal to you a wonderful secret. We will not all die, but we will all be transformed!

If it was the spiritual body of Jesus that ascended, that body would not come back to earth since spiritual bodies were made for heaven, not for earth.

1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also bodies in the heavens and bodies on the earth. The glory of the heavenly bodies is different from the glory of the earthly bodies. 41 The sun has one kind of glory, while the moon and stars each have another kind. And even the stars differ from each other in their glory.

If Jesus returned to earth in a spiritual body nobody could see him, which contradicts all the other verses that say that we will see him.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Matthew 24:30-31 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

 

[Coder]

I believe:

who also said, "...looking into the sky? ...into the sky ...the sky."
Acts 1:11

Simply another adaptive parable (unification). Jupiter ('pater', "father in sky'). Return to "Father in the sky".
Jupiterian parable. "...all things to all people..."

 

[paarsurrey]

Why Jews don't believe in Jesus
Betho_br said:
The Messiah should not die and resurrect.

I agree with one here.

Regards

The list was made by a Jewish rabbi.

I will research the Logos and the Renaissance...

OK. Also ponder on the following:

4:158
And their saying, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified; and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no definite knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this conjecture into a certainty; Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search
Right?

Regards
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Original Arabic narration/text from Muhammad's time is below:
4:158
وَّقَوۡلِہِمۡ اِنَّا قَتَلۡنَا الۡمَسِیۡحَ عِیۡسَی ابۡنَ مَرۡیَمَ رَسُوۡلَ اللّٰہِ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوۡہُ وَمَا صَلَبُوۡہُ وَلٰکِنۡ شُبِّہَ لَہُمۡ ؕ وَاِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ اخۡتَلَفُوۡا فِیۡہِ لَفِیۡ شَکٍّ مِّنۡہُ ؕ مَا لَہُمۡ بِہٖ مِنۡ عِلۡمٍ اِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوۡہُ یَقِیۡنًۢا ﴿۱۵۸

 

[Betho_br]

Why Jews don't believe in Jesus
Betho_br said:
The Messiah should not die and resurrect.


OK. Also ponder on the following:

4:158
And their saying, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like one crucified; and those who differ therein are certainly in a state of doubt about it; they have no definite knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this conjecture into a certainty; Holy Quran: Read, Listen and Search
Right?

Regards
________________________
Original Arabic narration/text from Muhammad's time is below:
4:158
وَّقَوۡلِہِمۡ اِنَّا قَتَلۡنَا الۡمَسِیۡحَ عِیۡسَی ابۡنَ مَرۡیَمَ رَسُوۡلَ اللّٰہِ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوۡہُ وَمَا صَلَبُوۡہُ وَلٰکِنۡ شُبِّہَ لَہُمۡ ؕ وَاِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ اخۡتَلَفُوۡا فِیۡہِ لَفِیۡ شَکٍّ مِّنۡہُ ؕ مَا لَہُمۡ بِہٖ مِنۡ عِلۡمٍ اِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ ۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوۡہُ یَقِیۡنًۢا ﴿۱۵۸

The Christian Bible verses Matthew 27:46 and Mark 15:24 record crucial moments during the crucifixion of Jesus. In Matthew 27:46, Jesus exclaims, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which is translated as "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" In Mark 15:24, it is mentioned that they cast lots to divide Jesus' garments. To understand these verses, it is essential to consider the broader context of the Scriptures.

Looking at Psalm 22, which Jesus quotes on the cross, we see that it begins with a profound lament where the psalmist expresses distress and a sense of abandonment. However, the psalm does not end in despair; on the contrary, as we progress through the verses, there is a change in tone.

In Psalm 22:24, we read, "For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the afflicted, and he has not hidden his face from him, but has heard, when he cried to him." This is a powerful statement highlighting God's faithfulness in responding to the cry of the afflicted. The context of the final verses of Psalm 22 (from verse 23 to 31) is one of praise and trust in God, acknowledging His sovereignty and providence.

Therefore, considering Jesus' quotation of Psalm 22 on the cross, we can interpret that He was expressing the deep agony of feeling separated from God in the midst of suffering. However, the complete understanding of Psalm 22, especially when read to the end, emphasizes that God did not forsake the afflicted, and the situation eventually turns into praise and trust in divine faithfulness.

Furthermore, the Christian Bible ("New Testament") provides additional insights. In John 16:32, Jesus speaks to the disciples about the impending hour of the cross, stating, "Behold, the hour is coming, indeed it has come, when you will be scattered, each to his own home, and will leave me alone. Yet I am not alone, for the Father is with me." This statement highlights God's constant presence even in the most challenging moments of Jesus' life.

Therefore, considering the broader context of the Scriptures, we can conclude that God did not abandon Jesus on the cross, and the quotation from Psalm 22 reflects Jesus' profound anguish but also points to confidence in divine faithfulness, as expressed in the subsequent verses of that Psalm and in other passages of the Christian Bible ("New Testament").

 

[John D. Brey]

It is miraculous...God is capable of assuring that Jesus, perfect in soul as we all are, could incarnate into the male fetus of Mary and Joseph, protected from the incumbrance of original sin, to put His Chosen Messiah on par with the first parents, knowing that he was going to have the same decision put to him that they did. He chose One-ness with God, and not independence, bringing the truth of light and life to humanity. This is probably easier for most people to understand than the virgin birth which is a pagan insert.

As virgin birth is older than Christianity, so too, circumcision, animal sacrifice, etc., etc., are older than Judaism. As Professor Nahum Sarna points out, Jewish and Christian rituals, symbols, and practices, though they aren't completely dependent on the so-called "pagan" precedents, are nevertheless an evolution of those ideas. As Sarna explains, you must understand the nature of the pagan myths to understand what a Jewish or Christian symbol means in it's role as an evolutionary advancement of the symbol or myth that, literally, pre-seeded the Jewish or Christian symbol, doctrine, or practice.

Isaiah and the Assyrian menace
Isaiah 7:14-16 "...Behold, the young woman is with child and will bear a son and will call his name `Immanuel’. …For before the lad knows how to reject the bad and choose the good, the land whose two kings are causing you terror will be deserted.”
"...These sentences were taken out of context and the Hebrew word “alma,” (a young woman) was given the meaning “virgin” by the Greek and Latin translators, so that the thought expressed was that of a virgin birth, so popular in ancient religions, And here I may cite the birth of Horus, among the Egyptians, or Buddha, in India. The early Christian editors, of course, were seeking something in the Old Testament to support their theories of a virgin birth for the Christ, to bring back to, and convert, their pagan compatriots. They succeeded, to be sure, but impartial scholars and many members of different churches are now agreed that this prophecy of Isaiah did not refer to me but to a child born during Isaiah’s time..." Jesus, 7/12/1960

. . . Again, virgin birth myths go back to Adam and Eve. It's the "seed of the woman" (unsullied by the evil smelling drop of semen) through which the Savior will come after the Fall in the garden is affected by the seed of the man bollixing everything up.

The idea of virgin birth is the idea of a return to the immortality that existed prior to phallic-sex and its meiotic mechanisms. As world-class biologists (Lynn Margulis, who btw is an atheist) puts it, phallic-sex and its meiotic mechanisms instituted a sort of sexually transmitted disease causing senescence and death where prior to phallic-sex and its meiotic mechanisms (ritualized in the demonizing of menstruation) organisms were biologically immortal:

Death, the literal dis-integration of the husk of the body, was the grim price exacted by meiotic sexuality. Complex development in protoctists and their animal and plant descendants led to the evolution of death as a kind of sexually transmitted disease.​

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Lynn Margulis, Symbiotic Planet, p. 90.​

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Eve's sin was due to her being seduced by the serpent which had mated with her and introduced its pollutant into her body. The potency of that evil-smelling drop of semen caused her to become subject to menstruation at regular intervals.​

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Shney Luchot HaBerit, Torah Shebikhtav, Sefer Vayikra, Torah Ohr, Vayikra 77.​

Virgin birth mythologizes the fact that in the conception and subsequent virgin birth of Messiah, phallic-sex and its meiotic mechanisms (symbolized by semen and menstruation) will have their fangs pulled and semen won't be allowed to transmit its death-sentence to the first member of the new, immortal, spiritual species. Jesus' virgin birth is quite literally and truly the speciation event par excellent.

Regarding the Hebrew word "almah" עלמה, though it's not the literal word for a "virgin," בתולה, it's the case that every "almah" throughout the Tanakh is a virgin (since the word generally means an unmarried maiden). Typologically speaking, since every Jewish groom ritually emasculates himself (brit milah) prior to the chuppah, every almah is, ritually speaking, a perpetual virgin since her groom ritually sacrifices the fleshly serpent the evil smelling drop of semen rides in on in every non-Jewish conception and pregnancy. We shouldn't be too surprised that, at least phonetically speaking, if you invert the Hebrew word for "almah" you get "ha-milah" המלע, (the circumcision). A perpetual virgin is the point of ritually emasculating (ha-milah) every Jewish male before he gets to the chuppah.

Jesus: Born Without Sin
"...As to the subject of my being born without sin, this is a subject I know that has been confusing to many. The simple fact is that I was born of the Holy Spirit in the sense that God conferred upon me the privilege of exercising my free will unhampered by any tendencies to sin. And, thus, I was given the Adamic condition of free choice that was enjoyed by our first parents. In their case, however, they chose not to follow the Father’s Request that they seek His Love, whereas my choice was to accept this invitation.
If it were possible to receive this Love, as it was possible for our first parents, this brought about yet another opportunity for humankind to accept the Father’s Invitation. And, so, even as a small child, implanted within me was an inborn desire, if you will, to seek the Love of the Father. I, of course, had the free will to reject this invitation, as did the first parents. But, in my case, I embraced this opportunity. And, in so doing, the "New Heart" was born in humankind as exemplified in my person.
No special dispensation was conferred upon me, except in the sense that I was unhampered by any tendencies to sin. But, as you must know, the first parents also had a similar pristine condition of soul. But, in their case, their material desires overwhelmed their spiritual natures, and this led to sin and failure in obtaining the Love that was available to them for the asking. Jesus, 8/28/86

Did Jesus say this at a recent Trump rally? I don't find it in the Gospels. Though it seems mostly consistent with the Gospels.

From Jesus' Second Coming Message Series From Spirit, 1914 to Present. soultruth.ca, new-birth.net

John 16:25 "...Thus far I have spoken to you only in parables...but a time is coming when I will tell you plainly about the Father..."

1 John 3:9 “...Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God.

Ezekiel 36:26-27 "...I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will remove your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances..."

There's a lot going on in those quotes. Fwiw, the Law (the heart and soul of Judaism) was written in stone. On Pentecost (Acts 2:1-4), a living version of the Law came down and rested on the hearts and minds of the disciple in the upper room. In Cecil B. Demille's, The Ten Commandments, he shows the languages of fire etching themselves in stone just as in Acts 2:1-4 the same languages of fire burn themselves into the flesh and blood minds of the disciples.



John

 

[paarsurrey]

Why Jews don't believe in Jesus

if circumcision is as important as you say, then perhaps the Islamic faith is the ultimate reconciliation for mankind?

It is very important as it is the physical sign or one of the physical signs of the original spiritual Covenant of Abraham, the truthful Israelites (not the Jews who are not spiritual Israelites but they are from the descent of Judah) already realized it and accepted " Islamic faith (well knowing that) it is the ultimate (religion destined from One G-d that merited) reconciliation for mankind ", Islamic reasonable faith in great numbers, right, please?

Regards

 

[Eliana]

Message #697 deals with the fact that....

You need therapy and I need a shower.

 

[InChrist]

So Jesus was born to a man?

Jesus was born through a human woman giving Him humanity. Joseph, as His legal father gave Him His lineage to David and Abraham.

“Seventeen verses in the New Testament describe Jesus as the “son of David.” But the question arises, how could Jesus be the son of David if David lived approximately 1,000 years before Jesus? The answer is that Christ (the Messiah) was the fulfillment of the prophecy of the seed of David (2 Samuel 7:12–16). Jesus is the promised Messiah, which means He had to be of the lineage of David. Matthew 1 gives the genealogical proof that Jesus, in His humanity, was a direct descendant of Abraham and David through Joseph, Jesus’ legal father. The genealogy in Luke 3 traces Jesus’ lineage through His mother, Mary. Jesus is a descendant of David by adoption through Joseph and by blood through Mary. “As to his earthly life [Christ Jesus] was a descendant of David” (Romans 1:3).”

What does it mean that Jesus is the son of David? | GotQuestions.org

Why is Jesus called the son of David? Is “son of David” a Messianic title? What does it mean that Jesus is the son of David?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus was born through a human woman giving Him humanity. Joseph, as His legal father gave Him His lineage to David and Abraham.

I thought that Christians believed in the Virgin Birth and that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, which is what Baha'is believe.
That would have to mean that Jesus had no human father.
How then could Jesus have gotten His lineage through Joseph?