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  1. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Perhaps since I don't understand what you believe by what you say, I might understand what you believe by how you act. Would you say calling me a sociopath is an example of forgiveness?
  2. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

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  3. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    I've learned that you have a talent for explaining what you believe clearly, concisely and cogently. It only took one post for me to understand you. But that doesn't mean there is any flaw in the way others have tried to communicate their thoughts to me. The flaw is most likely in my failure...
  4. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Yes, but I didn't ask what forgiveness is not. I asked what it is. So one example of what forgiveness is, is found in Akivah's definition: "[Forgiveness] is the act of being pardoned for errors you made against another person or against G-d." To me, this means our Jewish friend believes...
  5. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    I'm looking to learn what forgiveness is. For once I know what it is, I'll know how to forgive. Because I want to be forgiving.
  6. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Allfoak: As for the time you gave trying to lift me up so the truth might not pass over my head, a sincerely appreciate it! May God as you understand him, her or it, greatly bless you! Thanks, my new virtual friend. Hope we meet again. [emoji4][emoji868]
  7. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Perhaps it's OK to promise, " If I'm able, and some circumstance or defect in my character does not prevent me, I will..."? [emoji4]
  8. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    I think I'd enjoy reading the Talmud, Mishna and other writings of wise Jewish rabbis. I hope it's OK to say that perhaps Jesus read the Talmud? Luke 17:1-4 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. It would...
  9. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Perhaps, then you might see why I continue to ask questions, since I don't know the answers?
  10. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    No problem. I see two contrary ideas about forgiveness: (1) It is what someone thinks or feels, but never what someone says or does. (2) It is not only what someone thinks and feels, but also what someone says or does. I'm not sure what definition is true, or if there is a third possibility. So...
  11. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    It seems I've given you the wrong impression, as Socrates did when he employed his Socratic method. To one who misunderstood him, he said: "You come to me as though I professed to know about the questions which I ask, and as though I could, if I only would, agree with you. Whereas the fact is...
  12. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Yes, it seems the times I emotionally react out of fear, annoyance or anger are the times when I often are afterwards embarrassed or ashamed.
  13. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    What do you want me to give? What do you want me to take?
  14. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Matthew 18:18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." So the question that comes to mind when I read these words is, "Wait! What? What is binding and loosing?" I think perhaps the context explains...
  15. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Yes, Allfoak said we were following the white rabbit down his hole, so I suggested that I'd play the part of Alex, since I don't look at all attractive in a dress. LOL![emoji1] OK, so let's take a more serious look at your idea: Are you saying forgiveness is the power to act, but not the acts...
  16. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Thanks for the explanation. Yes, sounds logical to me, but let me be sure I'm understanding correctly. Are you thinking that for forgiveness to affect a relationship between two or more people, it must be more than a feeling? It must be act taken perhaps by one who is taking charge of his or...
  17. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    You mean spit out what my contrary ideas of forgiveness are?
  18. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

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  19. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    Yes, that helps. Now you have removed the mud from my eyes! I think I see clearly what you believe forgiveness is, though I don't yet see if it is something true, which I should believe too. Please let me carefully consider your idea. You say forgiveness is the power to act, but not the act of...
  20. Spockrates

    Wondering About Forgiveness

    A serial killer might feel free to murder. Does that mean murder is forgiveness? A compassionate person might feel bound to do no harm. Does that mean abstaining from murder is unforgiving?
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